Hispanics...What to do with THEM !!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Chosen

If it were that simplistic the goal would have been achieved long ago....

It is that simple.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It is that simple.

Sorry brother you are wrong as far as this area goes, I know of others who have gone through and are still enduring what I am speaking about but I think I will stop here because it seems this is taking a life of ots own and drawing contention from some which wasn't and isn't my intention.

I cannot disagree with what you have experienced or know, neither can you with me.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Chosen

Sorry brother you are wrong as far as this area goes, I know of others who have gone through and are still enduring what I am speaking about but I think I will stop here because it seems this is taking a life of ots own and drawing contention from some which wasn't and isn't my intention.

I cannot disagree with what you have experienced or know, neither can you with me.

Chosen ... I've sat in national SEM board meetings ... my dad served on the National board too ... I know the success stories and the horror stories ... and have analyzed the dynamics to them all .... your complaints are not new .... and trust me anyone here can tell you I'm no org sycophant so I am not advocating a system .... I don't even hold a license w/ the org any longer ...

What I see is a young man w/ a desire ... to do something for the Kingdom of God .... but in the end game ... you're focusing on the minors as to why there is no "revival" in your area ... "The Man" is not the problem, here.

It's great to be funded .... and supported ...
yet this comes w/ a lot of baggage, bro. And many times greater troubles.

There is no replacing an anointing of the Holy Spirit ... and a volition to do God's work .... Go out and do it.

Or find a group that shares your vision ... it will still require action.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

What I see is a young man w/ a desire ... to do something for the Kingdom of God .... but in the end game ... you're focusing on the minors as to why there is no "revival" in your area ... "The Man" is not the problem, here.

It's great to be funded .... and supported ...
yet this comes w/ a lot of baggage, bro. And many times greater troubles.

There is no replacing an anointing of the Holy Spirit ... and a volition to do God's work .... Go out and do it.

Or find a group that shares your vision ... it will still require action.

I agree wholeheartedly here.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Chosen I pray God's best for your ministry and you are my brother in Christ.

[josh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Chosen ... I've sat in national SEM board meetings ... my dad served on the National board too ... I know the success stories and the horror stories ... and have analyzed the dynamics to them all .... your complaints are not new .... and trust me anyone here can tell you I'm no org sycophant so I am not advocating a system .... I don't even hold a license w/ the org any longer ...

What I see is a young man w/ a desire ... to do something for the Kingdom of God .... but in the end game ... you're focusing on the minors as to why there is no "revival" in your area ... "The Man" is not the problem, here.

It's great to be funded .... and supported ...
yet this comes w/ a lot of baggage, bro. And many times greater troubles.

There is no replacing an anointing of the Holy Spirit ... and a volition to do God's work .... Go out and do it.

Or find a group that shares your vision ... it will still require action.

Daniel, I cannot pass up the opportunity to agree with you...since it comes rather rarely. LOL

You are absolutely right.

When I was in Memphis we had a Spanish daughter work that is now self-supporting and autonomous. It runs close to 200 now.

We had calls all the time from pastors wanting to know if I knew any Spanish-speaking preachers that would be interested in starting a daughter work in their town. Until he got too busy, our Spanish pastor also headed up the District Spanish work. The need for Spanish preachers is incredible.

We constantly stayed on the lookout for someone qualified to recommend. If anyone has an opportunity in the apostolic church in North America it is a dedicated Spanish-speaking preacher.

I just can't imagine a man with true anointing and dedication that speaks Spanish being held back in the UPC or in any apostolic church.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Chosen may God be with you and bless your ministry.

[Steve Epley]

I lived in Miami for 2 years and I said over and over if someone wants to go to the mission field they should go to South Miami if they speak Spanish. What an opportunity to live in America and be a missionary. The prospects are limitless.

Originally Posted by josh

Daniel, I cannot pass up the opportunity to agree with you...since it comes rather rarely. LOL

You are absolutely right.

When I was in Memphis we had a Spanish daughter work that is now self-supporting and autonomous. It runs close to 200 now.

We had calls all the time from pastors wanting to know if I knew any Spanish-speaking preachers that would be interested in starting a daughter work in their town. Until he got too busy, our Spanish pastor also headed up the District Spanish work. The need for Spanish preachers is incredible.

We constantly stayed on the lookout for someone qualified to recommend. If anyone has an opportunity in the apostolic church in North America it is a dedicated Spanish-speaking preacher.

I just can't imagine a man with true anointing and dedication that speaks Spanish being held back in the UPC or in any apostolic church.

Well brother its not imagination its reality.

Unfortunately not all sections, districts, areas ect are like yours.

I never said the UPCI was racist , but I have stated what I have dealt with, in so doing some have misread me as looking for hand outs, slothfulness or just being ignorant to the way things are done.

As some have shown authority/position corrupts when one is not ready for it.

We run 40 in our service in a town where there is no UPCI within 35 miles.
God is healing people, some have prayed back through and there are many new ones yet I can't get my Lic and I do not want to go independent, why should I.

I don't need charity and don't want it GOD has always provided.

I'll go ahead and brace for the repercussions from this post.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Chosen

Brother I seek not position but only what God has called me to.
I don't want anything given to me.
All I seek is help.
I have helped, supported, and was a member of 3 home mission works.
I know very well what is involved.
The "hurdles" are not God made obviously but man made.

I'm sorry. I thought you were more concerned about being in a "leadership position" because of your ethnicity. I was merely trying to rebutt your argument of racial discrimination based upon your background. I do not see where there is no UPC ministers that are caucasian exclusive. As far as the so called "hurdles", they are not all man made.