Homosexuality Or Legalism--Which Is Worse?

Originally Posted by pelathais

No. In fact you depart from basic Apostolic teaching with that application. The Larkin chart that I showed you, though somewaht dated (but it's free to post it!) shows the majority teaching of the UPCI and most Apostolic groups.

The "we all must appear..." statement Paul is making is understood to be an Apostle talking to the Church. The "all" is "all believers," or "The Church." The Corinthians were famously wayward and Paul is admonishing them.

The Bema is not the Mega Shining Thronos. The believer does not appear before the Great White Throne judgment at the end of the age because the believer has already been judged at Calvary, throughout his walk and then received his reward or watched his works be burned at the Bema judgment following the Rapture.

Your attempts to marginalize this understanding shows that you probably haven't spent a lot of time in the Apostolic movement- no big deal there, but ask around, check with people you respect.


I can't speak for the PCI since it went out of existence long before I was born. However, I do know that what I have presented here includes nothing resembling "Inclusionist" teachings, but rather the basics that a first year Bible College student gets from any UPCI endorsed Bible College. This also is expounded in the Search for Truth and Exploring God's Word home bible studies available from the PPH, UPCI Home Missions Division and other Apostolic publishers.

Apostolics have been teaching this as a standard component of their dosctrine for... well for really longer than there's been a modern Apostolic movement. Either

1) You've completely misunderstood the things that I've posted, or
2) You are tired and not really comprehending what is being said, or
3) You haven't gone through a Home Bible Study with an Apostolic

I hesitate to post this lest I be seen as casting a stone, but I feel it should be said just in case you don't know. My dear friend and brother in the Lord, EvanBenincasa is a full preterist. That may help you to understand some of the positions he takes on certain issues... especially where Larkin is concerned!

My dad was UPCI his entire ministry and Larkin was his favorite whuppin' boy with Ironsides comin' in a clost secund!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by philjones

I hesitate to post this lest I be seen as casting a stone, but I feel it should be said just in case you don't know. My dear friend and brother in the Lord, EvanBenincasa is a full preterist. That may help you to understand some of the positions he takes on certain issues... especially where Larkin is concerned!

My dad was UPCI his entire ministry and Larkin was his favorite whuppin' boy with Ironsides comin' in a clost secund!

LOL - egg on my face!!!

Sorry EB - we're having a different argument. My bad! - - - But for what it's worth: I don't advocate the Inclusionist angle that you were apparently trying to go for; just the simple step-by-step Dispensational angle, though with a broader understanding now than I had in the past. I do not for example condemn Preterism.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

In the light of comparing scripture with scripture you do.

Mat 16:24-28

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall REWARD EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

"For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy."(Rom.9:15-16)

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

"For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy."(Rom.9:15-16)

I apologize in advance for waxing philosophical but I adhere to the time honored teaching that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by philjones

I apologize in advance for waxing philosophical but I adhere to the time honored teaching that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink!

You know, I've had some fun getting to know Evan.Benincasa here and Prax is always good for some back and forth...

But this thread is puzzling to some of our other friends here and others found the name of the thread to be insulting (I blame unnamed admins for that! )

Why don't we let this one expire to the archives. Anyone can take their final shots and then find me bouncing around somewhere or PM me. I look forward to continuing discussions and continuing to get to know everyone better. God bless! Thanks Phil, TB, tva1 and everyone else.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Yes, and I'm giving TB the benefit of the doubt here. I don't think he actually intends to say that a person who never repents just waltzes into the Kingdom of God with any ol' attitude and sin that they want.

I think there's a nuance he's intending in order to avoid what he may fear to be overly legalistic language.

I don't want to assume that's there's more between the lines than there really is; but in this forum we are limited to just throwing one liners back and forth and so we can miss a lot of what the other guy intends.

See I think that is part of the problem. That "fear" I think could end up being just as bad as being a legalist...at least as far as we are teaching others how to be a Christian

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

See I think that is part of the problem. That "fear" I think could end up being just as bad as being a legalist...at least as far as we are teaching others how to be a Christian

I didn't mean to say that he's "afraid." I don't even know the guy, but his avatar has a nice smile.

I should have said, "prefers." "He prefers to avoid using overly legalistic language."

And I'm certain that his students understand that there are responsibilities that come with their belief. Parsing everyone's words too closely in a forum board leads to too much misunderstanding and distrust. I try reading past somethings like they were typos.

For example the guy who's web site didn't say "full immersion in Jesus Name..." I trusted that based upon everything else he said that he probably did baptize with full immersion in Jesus Name; even tho he left that part out at that time.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

"For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy."(Rom.9:15-16)

Did you answer the question concerning a soul losing salvation?

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Did you answer the question concerning a soul losing salvation?

I have said on several occasions that I believe a person can forfeit the gift of salvation by committing sins that the Bible clearly declares as sins that will prevent a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I didn't mean to say that he's "afraid." I don't even know the guy, but his avatar has a nice smile.

I should have said, "prefers." "He prefers to avoid using overly legalistic language."

And I'm certain that his students understand that there are responsibilities that come with their belief. Parsing everyone's words too closely in a forum board leads to too much misunderstanding and distrust. I try reading past somethings like they were typos.

For example the guy who's web site didn't say "full immersion in Jesus Name..." I trusted that based upon everything else he said that he probably did baptize with full immersion in Jesus Name; even tho he left that part out at that time.

I am constantly preaching that one cannot be saved by simply saying they believe in Jesus Christ. If you wonder whether I believe Acts 2:38 or not go to our web site at www.peopleschurch.bc.ca and listen to the message "Become a Four Stepper". Do I present it like the PAJC folks do? No!