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08-29-2007, 10:48 AM
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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08-29-2007, 10:53 AM
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That comment didn't elevate the discussion. 
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His banner over me is LOVE....  My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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08-29-2007, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Amos
On another thread, tv1a and RandyWayne are promoting the idea that legalism is worse and more difficult to overcome than homosexuality.
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I wouldn't know. 
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08-29-2007, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
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You're just jealous because your nick does not start with P
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-29-2007, 01:08 PM
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arbitrary subjective label
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
Any teaching that makes man's performance the basis for his salvation is legalism. Paul makes it very clear that salvation is by grace through faith, and even our faith is not of ourselves, so that no one can boast that their own works have saved them. Some folks have a hard time accepting that a person cannot save themselves. Man's effort to save himself always ends up as legalism.
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Turn this inside out and see if you're still willing to wear this shirt:
A person can ........ themself.
You do agree with this, don't you?
A person CAN neglect their salvation, make it of none effect, reject truth, and blaspheme the Holy Ghost, and by these works condemn themselves to hell. A person can do works that he knows by scripture or spirit that he shouldn't do, or not do works that he knows by scripture that he should do, and condemn themself to hell.
What a person does after they finish speaking in tonques for the very first time won't make them any more saved than if they died immediately afterwards.
But what they do afterwards can push away what they've just received.
There is a studied, measured and structured response to this last revelatory line. It's called: CONSERVATISM
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08-29-2007, 01:41 PM
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I have no idea why I am given partial credit for starting this thread other then answering a question on another topic.... I think the question itself is a bit nonsensical, although maybe just a LITTLE interesting. Amazed it turned into this many pages!
I can think of MUCH more profound comparisons such as "Who is worse? Legalism or Ted Kennedy?" or fill in the blank with any far-left lib. I actually think there is MUCH more comparison (based on ultimate motive) between the two.
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08-29-2007, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
You're just jealous because your nick does not start with P
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Which reminds me, where is PP? 
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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08-29-2007, 04:51 PM
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Legalism has been redefined by the actions.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Or rather Legalism has been RE-defined here.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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08-29-2007, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Define works?
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The things a "legalist" will do to earn or deserve salvation.
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08-29-2007, 08:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tv1a
Legalism has been redefined by the actions.
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It sounds as though you are saying "if a legalist does it, it must be unique to a legalist and defines someone else as a legalist"...
Are Homosexuals legalists then? It really does sound like you are being subjective and equivocating. Do homosexuals adhere to the letter of the law?
strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, esp. to the letter rather than the spirit.
2.Theology. a.the doctrine that salvation is gained through good works. b.the judging of conduct in terms of adherence to precise laws.
Forgive my bluntness, but it really sounds like you are just adding to the term Legalism and then drawing a biased comparison. Even a non-legalist can by hypocritical or hold to a double standard or just be inconsistant...in this case it's inconsistant to say No to TV and Yes to Internet. Anyone can do that and NOT be a legalist according to the dictionary definition of legalism.
What you have done was not really even define. You gave an example and then in essence said "Legalists do this, well so do homosexuals", but you have not proven that this thing of TV and Internet is something ONLY a legalist would do or that it's a trademark of a legalist. Can heterosexuals do that too?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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