A poll for those who celebrate Christmas

[Rico]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I agree with that assumption, too. But would we call that humanity or deity? I see his humanity as ending at his ascention.

So you believe he was translated while ascending into Heaven? I remember something about Jesus telling someone not to touch Him because He hadn't been glorified yet, but I also remember something about Him appearing to His followers in a closed room before He ascended. How could He have done that if He hadn't been glorified yet?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Even if Christ's humanity ended ,wouldn't He still be the Son Of God ,since mankind can still be redeemed ,since the office of the Sonship was for the redemption of fallen Adam's race ?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Rico

So you believe he was translated while ascending into Heaven? I remember something about Jesus telling someone not to touch Him because He hadn't been glorified yet, but I also remember something about Him appearing to His followers in a closed room before He ascended. How could He have done that if He hadn't been glorified yet?

I added "or maybe even at his resurrection" to my post, as after thinking about it a moment, I am unsure the exact time of glorification, or even what glorification entails. Someone wiser than I will have to step up to the plate on this.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I added "or maybe even at his resurrection" to my post, as after thinking about it a moment, I am unsure the exact time of glorification, or even what glorification entails. Someone wiser than I will have to step up to the plate on this.

I don't know either.We need one wiser than Solomon here.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I added "or maybe even at his resurrection" to my post, as after thinking about it a moment, I am unsure the exact time of glorification, or even what glorification entails. Someone wiser than I will have to step up to the plate on this.

Ya know, this may actually be a good topic for discussion around here, on a separate thread of course. I know it interests me as well. I have asked people if they believe God is reigning in Heaven in that resurrected body (never on a forum like this, though)and gotten mixed results.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I was meaning pre-glorification when I stated that there was an ending of the humanity of Christ. Not that I am even good enough to call myself a student on this too much, but would you state that Jesus has continued in a state of humanity after his glorification?


I have my learning hat on and am sitting down.

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

As the God our Father, he is eternal. As the man, he officiates in His redemptive office as the Son of God. Though inextricably ONE, yet offices differ.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think for most of us, we look at it as the initial birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. We are not celebrating his 12th birthday, or his 25th birthday, or even his 2000th birthday. We are celebrating the initial day that the Son of Righteousness was born into this earth with healing in his wings. It was the day that angels rejoiced and proclaimed "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.", and signs where manifested in the heavens. The Prophets had prophesied, and the Messiah was born. The redeeming lamb had finally come.

This is worth shouting about!

That's right.

I can say that as of next month that I've had 67 birthdays? No, not really. I've only had one. That was 67 years ago.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I added "or maybe even at his resurrection" to my post, as after thinking about it a moment, I am unsure the exact time of glorification, or even what glorification entails. Someone wiser than I will have to step up to the plate on this.

Well, I really don't claim to be all that wise, but we all know that his humanity went into a higher dimension of existence after his resurrection. I personally don't know too many folk that can lay their bodies down in the grave and raise it up again into a life that will never die, do you?

I don't know too many people that can walk though walls having closed doors, speak to some of his followers who handle him, who claimed to be possessed of flesh and bones. Nor anyone who, in this state can eat honey, fish and anything else he desires yet disguise himself before those who know him best walking and talking with them for a long way toward evening. How many folk do you know have the power to just rise up into the air having been enveloped with a cloud and disappear out of everyone's sight?

In his glorified state he declared that he had been given...(notice the word given because it indicates something that he did not have before he was glorified) ALL power both in heaven and in earth. In short, he had gone into a higher dimension of power, dignity and majesty.

According to John, when we see Him, we shall be like him but certainly not God accepting worship, nor shall we have all power given to us. Nor can we say that we alone overcome the world, death and hell, as he did.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

As the God our Father, he is eternal. As the man, he officiates in His redemptive office as the Son of God. Though inextricably ONE, yet offices differ.

I am trying to dig a little out of you here.

Does this scripture deal with Jesus still posessing humanity now? or does it speak of his work upon the cross as kinsmen redeemer??


Even though he has a glorified body (the resurrected body), I look at Jesus as having disrobed his humanity, and taken up deity he possessed prior to his birth. If not, what does he mean when he prayed, "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Even if Christ's humanity ended ,wouldn't He still be the Son Of God ,since mankind can still be redeemed ,since the office of the Sonship was for the redemption of fallen Adam's race ?

His humanity will never end. Neither will mine or yours.