National ID cards required by May 2008

[Theresa]

Have we discussed this??

By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: May 10, 2005, 8:10 PM PDT

Last-minute attempts by online activists to halt an electronic ID card failed Tuesday when the U.S. Senate unanimously voted to impose a sweeping set of identification requirements on Americans.

The so-called Real ID Act now heads to President Bush, who is expected to sign the bill into law this month. Its backers, including the Bush administration, say it's needed to stop illegal immigrants from obtaining drivers' licenses.

If the act's mandates take effect in May 2008, as expected, Americans will be required to obtain federally approved ID cards with "machine readable technology" that abides by Department of Homeland Security specifications. Anyone without such an ID card will be effectively prohibited from traveling by air or Amtrak, opening a bank account, or entering federal buildings.

After the Real ID Act's sponsors glued it to an Iraq military spending bill, final passage was all but guaranteed. Yet that didn't stop a dedicated cadre of privacy activists from trying to raise the alarm in the last few days.

UnRealID.com, which calls the legislation a "national ID card," says that more than 10,800 people filled out its online petition to senators.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation hastily created a "Stop The Real ID Act!" campaign last week, and the ACLU denounced the bill as a measure that would create "a system ripe for identity theft." Security guru Bruce Schneier offered his own negative critique.


If the Real ID Act had been a standalone piece of legislation--instead of being embedded in an unrelated military spending bill--its passage in the Senate might have been less certain.

The House approved it in February by a relatively narrow vote of 261-161, and some senators had condemned it. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., warned last month that the Real ID Act creates "de facto national ID cards" and the National Immigration Law Center said it will make it harder even for legal immigrants and citizens to get drivers' licenses.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican and Real ID Act sponsor, applauded the Senate vote on Tuesday. "The Real ID is vital to preventing foreign terrorists from hiding in plain sight while conducting their operations and planning attacks," Sensenbrenner said. "By targeting terrorist travel, the Real ID will assist in our war-on-terror efforts to disrupt terrorist operations and help secure our borders."

what I've heard now is they are considering the chip, implanted under the skin to eliminate the need to re-issue cards every year.

Bro Baxter, regardess of what you think of him, mentions this in his DVD called "666" Here is a link (I hope it works) to the article written in endtime magazine about this issue....
http://www.endtime.com/pdf%5Carchive...5-Complete.pdf

any other views on this bill? anyone see it differently?

I also heard someone say that we should all sign up for this "no id" petition. I was like "why?" its going to happen in God's time anyway, why try to put off the coming of the Lord - I say come quickly Lord Jesus What's to stay here for?

[Theresa]

and another FYI - my bank has already posted a notice that says next year you'll be required to have an ID mandated by homeland security, to open a checking account....

[Pragmatist]

I think they're going to have extreme difficulty implementing it and it probably won't go through. Colorado passed state laws making it more difficult to get a driver's license, lots of legal people are having trouble getting a new one, and I think it's being taken to court because of all the problems.

[Theresa]

you know, I've always thought that the US would be the biggest hinderance to the "one world government" and such that you hear in prophecy.....

The US citizens are too vocal about their "rights". I've never thought the US would be one of the major world powers that unite in the end.....

I think someone is going to push a button somewhere and wipe the US of the map, literally. Perhaps this will be when the Lord comes, to account for the missing folks. I dont know, I'm no scholar...

I just think its getting close....and I'm glad

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by Theresa

Have we discussed this??




what I've heard now is they are considering the chip, implanted under the skin to eliminate the need to re-issue cards every year.

Bro Baxter, regardess of what you think of him, mentions this in his DVD called "666" Here is a link (I hope it works) to the article written in endtime magazine about this issue....
http://www.endtime.com/pdf%5Carchive...5-Complete.pdf

any other views on this bill? anyone see it differently?

I also heard someone say that we should all sign up for this "no id" petition. I was like "why?" its going to happen in God's time anyway, why try to put off the coming of the Lord - I say come quickly Lord Jesus What's to stay here for?

Six states (South Carolina, Montana, Washington, Oklahoma, Maine and New Hampshire) to date have rejected this and said they won't comply.

A technology has not been decided on yet. However the ID cards must be machine readable. The "chip" is not a shoe in, but the smart card industry is lobbying hard for it. Someone has to pay the cost of the ID card and the chip is much more expensive then a mag-stripe or bar code. Although it'll be us that ends up paying for it the states don't want it coming out of their budgets and likewise the feds.

I don't know if we'll see this happen in less then a year from now if they haven't even agreed upon a card technology or who's going to pay for it. Not only is getting the cards out there an incredible task, but to get all the readers in place is overwhelming.

If they go with a mag-stripe or bar code you don't have to worry about that being implanted into your skin.