Perhaps you did not see where I went from specifics to general statements. At least you did not see where I attributed what I felt in general to the specifics of either of those two nights. My general statements were in regard to what I've seen thoughout Apostolicism in the past few years.
I was once in an Apostolic church where the sound was almost Death Metal or maybe like Marilyn Manson sound. I noticed one young lady shucking and jiving as hard and vigorously as she could to it. The words were almost indiscernable. After service, I noticed the same young lady in her car with an (what I thought to be) an Alice cooper CD cranked up realy high. She was still shucking and jiving to THAT TOO. Words of a song did not matter to her...IT WAS THE SOUND.
Now, none of the statements above related to the services either of the two nights that I was at camp.
I only bought ONE black shirt...not plural. See how things get screwed up?
Further, I don't know of any O.T. prophets that wore black shirts. Black is a modern expression of mourning.
I don't know how I could be any more clear.
But then, maybe I could have stated specifically which comments were directed toward the camp and which were in general. But, who would have guessed that it would not be perceived? As a reader, I would have had no problem with it. Unless, the text specifically stated that a comment was directly related to the camp, it was not. There is a wide range of experinece noted in the text, some of which is of a general nature.
Well, since we are all so ignorant, maybe you would like to tell us which statements applied to MB and which statements applied to the La. Camp music.
BS did you agree with the La. Camp music the night you were there? If not, why not?
Now I'm laughing out loud. This thread is absolutely a riot.
CR and T1, you have way more tenacity than I will ever have. Kudos to you. I don't have a dog in the fight so I'll let you guys just duke it out until someone finally drops but speaking from past experience you are going to type calouses on your finger if you expect anything but accusation then denial then insult then denial then accusation then denial etc etc etc.
At least its not us mean and hateful ultra cons that are supposedly beating him up.
Perhaps you did not see where I went from specifics to general statements. At least you did not see where I attributed what I felt in general to the specifics of either of those two nights. My general statements were in regard to what I've seen thoughout Apostolicism in the past few years.
I was once in an Apostolic church where the sound was almost Death Metal or maybe like Marilyn Manson sound. I noticed one young lady shucking and jiving as hard and vigorously as she could to it. The words were almost indiscernable. After service, I noticed the same young lady in her car with an (what I thought to be) an Alice cooper CD cranked up realy high. She was still shucking and jiving to THAT TOO. Words of a song did not matter to her...IT WAS THE SOUND.
Now, none of the statements above related to the services either of the two nights that I was at camp.
I only bought ONE black shirt...not plural. See how things get screwed up?
Further, I don't know of any O.T. prophets that wore black shirts. Black is a modern expression of mourning.
I don't know how I could be any more clear.
But then, maybe I could have stated specifically which comments were directed toward the camp and which were in general. But, who would have guessed that it would not be perceived? As a reader, I would have had no problem with it. Unless, the text specifically stated that a comment was directly related to the camp, it was not. There is a wide range of experinece noted in the text, some of which is of a general nature.
You said what you said with no regard how it would be perceived...
I accedentally put an "s" at the end of shirt...if you saw how I type you'd understand......
Bottom line, your way of expressing how you felt left a lot of room for just this kind of response.
Now I'm laughing out loud. This thread is absolutely a riot.
CR and T1, you have way more tenacity than I will ever have. Kudos to you. I don't have a dog in the fight so I'll let you guys just duke it out until someone finally drops but speaking from past experience you are going to type calouses on your finger if you expect anything but accusation then denial then insult then denial then accusation then denial etc etc etc.
At least its not us mean and hateful ultra cons that are supposedly beating him up.
WOW! I am amused. Either we are all dumb or you cannot read what you wrote in the very first post.
I would hate to think that EVERYONE is so dumb. Many have spoken up, expressing their understanding. Maybe you and one or two others are the only dumb ones reading here.
So, Let us go over the original post for all the dumb ones. Let us go over it very carefully so there can be no misunderstanding...not even among the dumb ones.
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Here I sit in my motel room in Alexandria, La trying to decide whether I want to go back to the District Campmeeting today and tonight or not. I probably will go since it has been more than 20 years since I've been here.
From the first paragraph, my dismay is evident. Here, I built a little setting hesitation.
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I was raised here. I attended campmeeting in the old tabernacle. No, not the tabernacle before the present one. I'm talking about the "old" tabernacle that later became the dining hall. It was just a small building that set up on the hill in the 1940s. Here, I was the first Youth Camper in 1954. These here are my "roots" of which Anthony preached a really great message last night.
Apostolic people are famous for establishing their spiritual pedigree, if indeed that have one. I suppose I am no exception. My grandchildren are now 6th generation, dating back to the 1920s.
The subject of Anthony's message was roots. Certainly my roots run deep in the La. Dist.
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But, something is different. I can't put my finger on it exactly. The form in the same. The people look the same. But there is something different in the spirit. A spiritual change has slowly crept in over the years that even I would have not recognized had I been here each of the past 25 years. But, since I've not been here, I come back to weep, recognizing a change in the spirit.
This certainly ought to be self explanatory, including my bewilderment. Any questions so far?
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Someone hailed as a "prophet" spoke words that were strange, from a spirit that I was quite familiar with. I am so surprised and shocked that Apostolic people are sooooo gullible. I wanted to puke.
Though I judged the "words" of the "prophet" to not be divinely issued, I sensed a spirit that I am acquainted with. It is a strange spirit, though human. It is strange (foreign) to the Holy Ghost.
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Though I recognized the spirit immediately, when he began to speak concerning "an uncommon seed for an uncommon harvest" and other words in the same vein, there could be no doubt about it.
He used many words that came directly from the Cathedral of Wisdom orthodoxy, as promoted by Mike Murdock. His Cathedral is directly across the street from my kids church in Haltom City, Texas. I am very familiar with their doctrines. In its essence, it's of the "prosperity" spirit, though a highly refined version of it. Avarice is the underlying motivation of that spirit whereby people are seduced into trying to manipulate God by misguided giving for the purpose of big returns. I've seen it many times before. I was shocked to see that same thing manifested at camp.
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Then he "prophesied" to different ones. I said to that spirit, "Ah yes ol' boy, I recognize who you are."
He may have prophesied correctly. Someone said that he did. I don't know. I just know the spirit. Nothing more can be added here. I just know the spirit. Baalam prophesied correctly also. He used his word to cause intermariage among heathern women which brought God's discontent, all for the purpose of MONEY. It is the error of Baalam.
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Anthony preached a great message, as usual. However, I left the crowded tabernacle with a cast down spirit, amazed, discouraged, upset and bewildered.
Again, my consternation was over the gullibilty of both leaders and the rank and file as well. All of these ill feelings inspite of the fact that Anthony really did a great job on "the Roots."
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While walking slowly back to my pickup truck, I heard someone call my name. I was happy to see an old friend. Then another called my name. Though happy to see each of them, I could not help but see the ruin of time upon their lovely faces. I hugged the brothers and sisters with joy and gladness as my heart rejoiced to see them again.
Any questions about this? Seems to be pretty much self explanatory. I left the tabernacle feeling dejected and bewildered. My spirit was lifted somewhat by the reunion of some old friends.
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Though joy filled my heart from the encounter with these precious saints, I am so bewildered. My heart hangs heavy this morning as I write these few words.
Throughout the whole night, my heart hung heavy, seeking God for some answer to what I was feeling. I got little rest owing to my heavy, burdened heart.
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I heard a voice in the early hours of this morning as I thought upon these things, "Watchman, what of the night..." I answered in an audible voice, "The night cometh and also the morning."
Finally, before dawn, I heard this voice that gave no comfort at all. It seemed that I was being called upon to enter into deep prayer and maybe travail before God to seek an answer. I didn't. Maybe I failed. I was much too tired. I simply answered from scripture the question from the Word.
So, where is the problem in this post, Dan? Just what is it that is NOT understood?
I would hate to think that EVERYONE is so dumb. Many have spoken up, expressing their understanding. Maybe you and one or two others are the only dumb ones reading here.
So, Let us go over the original post for all the dumb ones. Let us go over it very carefully so there can be no misunderstanding...not even among the dumb ones.
From the first paragraph, my dismay is evident. Here, I built a little setting hesitation.
Apostolic people are famous for establishing their spiritual pedigree, if indeed that have one. I suppose I am no exception. My grandchildren are now 6th generation, dating back to the 1920s.
The subject of Anthony's message was roots. Certainly my roots run deep in the La. Dist.
This certainly ought to be self explanatory, including my bewilderment. Any questions so far?
Though I judged the "words" of the "prophet" to not be divinely issued, I sensed a spirit that I am acquainted with. It is a strange spirit, though human. It is strange (foreign) to the Holy Ghost.
He used many words that came directly from the Cathedral of Wisdom orthodoxy, as promoted by Mike Murdock. His Cathedral is directly across the street from my kids church in Haltom City, Texas. I am very familiar with their doctrines. In its essence, it's of the "prosperity" spirit, though a highly refined version of it. Avarice is the underlying motivation of that spirit whereby people are seduced into trying to manipulate God by misguided giving for the purpose of big returns. I've seen it many times before. I was shocked to see that same thing manifested at camp.
He may have prophesied correctly. Someone said that he did. I don't know. I just know the spirit. Nothing more can be added here. I just know the spirit. Baalam prophesied correctly also. He used his word to cause intermariage among heathern women which brought God's discontent, all for the purpose of MONEY. It is the error of Baalam.
Again, my consternation was over the gullibilty of both leaders and the rank and file as well. All of these ill feelings inspite of the fact that Anthony really did a great job on "the Roots."
Any questions about this? Seems to be pretty much self explanatory. I left the tabernacle feeling dejected and bewildered. My spirit was lifted somewhat by the reunion of some old friends.
Throughout the whole night, my heart hung heavy, seeking God for some answer to what I was feeling. I got little rest owing to my heavy, burdened heart.
Finally, before dawn, I heard this voice that gave no comfort at all. It seemed that I was being called upon to enter into deep prayer and maybe travail before God to seek an answer. I didn't. Maybe I failed. I was much too tired. I simply answered from scripture the question from the Word.
So, where is the problem in this post, Dan? Just what is it that is NOT understood?
Dan, can't you understand......................"FOR YEA; IT IS EVEN THOUGH WRITTEN IN RED"!!
Well, since we are all so ignorant, maybe you would like to tell us which statements applied to MB and which statements applied to the La. Camp music.
Give it up Dan. If he is your friend and you want it all straightend out, tell him to call me. I'll tell him exactly what I have spoken here...and more besides. He would probably be blessed. Kevn has my phone number...I think. Tell him it is Kendal Pugh's cousin. He might remember me when he was a kid and his Dad Pastored my folks. At least he can get it from Admin if he wants it.
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BS did you agree with the La. Camp music the night you were there? If not, why not?
Not entirely. But, I have been watching the metamorphosis of the music in Apostolic ranks. Seeing the development, I also see the end.
I did come out of my seat when Mickey sung, "Leaning on the Everlasting Arms."
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