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[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Really?

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

So you assume socialists are lazy bums who dont work?

Take care of widow's. Feed the poor and the children. Wasnt Jesus for all of this?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Jesus was a socialist.

No, Jesus was not a socialist. It's funny when people try to pigeonhole Jesus to some political party or belief. People like you who try to claim Jesus was a socialist or a liberal, or others who try to claim He was a conservative show their lack of knowledge of who He really was and what He believed.

He was, for lack of a better word, a Kingdomist. His beliefs were Kingdom-minded and not limited to being liberal or conservative. Which is why He could say a man shouldn't eat if he doesn't work, and yet feed the hungry and tell His disciples to care for widows and orphans. That was Kingdom principles, not a political policy or party platform.

We live in a republic and filter everything through our democracy mindedness. As Anthony Mangun said, "We are too democracy-minded to accept 'Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done.'"

No, Jesus was not a socialist or any other political term you wish to apply.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by n david

No, Jesus was not a socialist. It's funny when people try to pigeonhole Jesus to some political party or belief. People like you who try to claim Jesus was a socialist or a liberal, or others who try to claim He was a conservative show their lack of knowledge of who He really was and what He believed.

He was, for lack of a better word, a Kingdomist. His beliefs were Kingdom-minded and not limited to being liberal or conservative. Which is why He could say a man shouldn't eat if he doesn't work, and yet feed the hungry and tell His disciples to care for widows and orphans. That was Kingdom principles, not a political policy.

We live in a republic and filter everything through our democracy mindedness. As Anthony Mangun said, "We are too democracy-minded to accept 'Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done.'"

No, Jesus was not a socialist or any other political term you wish to apply.

Call it what you want. Jesus advocated things that "conservatives" hate. I had someone tell me that all liberals were going to hell. That is worse than calling Jesus a socialist.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Call it what you want. Jesus advocated things that "conservatives" hate. I had someone tell me that all liberals were going to hell. That is worse than calling Jesus a socialist.

Hmmm.
Tell me what he advocated that "conservatives" hate.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Call it what you want. Jesus advocated things that "conservatives" hate. I had someone tell me that all liberals were going to hell. That is worse than calling Jesus a socialist.

What did Jesus allegedly advocate which conservatives allegedly hate?

Feed and care for widows and orphans?

Pretty sure you're full of it, but please humor us.

[aegsm76]

fmc - you said things, but you only mention one THING.

What conservatives typically believe is that government should not force me to give my money to them, so that they can give it to someone else.
If you look at charitable giving conservatives are ALWAYS noted for giving a larger portion of their income than the so called compassionate liberals.

Also, if you look at the history of this country, Christians founded most of the major hospitals and care-giving organizations.

[n david]

Originally Posted by n david

What did Jesus allegedly advocate which conservatives allegedly hate?

Feed and care for widows and orphans?

Pretty sure you're full of it, but please humor us.

Nothing? C'mon, Fiona, surely you have at least one thing Jesus did which conservatives allegedly hate.

It's not caring for the widows and orphans, that's being done. What else do you claim Jesus did which conservatives allegedly hate?

[Fionn mac Cumh]

The party that you guys support is in favor of cutting social programs that help poor people, which include, single moms, children, homeless. While meanwhile funding tax breaks for the uber rich and corporations and funding our imperialistic endless war budget. But of course, they are just lazy people. I know what you are going to say, "Well, its not that we are against it, we just are against the government doing it. That is best left up to the church to do."

[n david]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

The party that you guys support is in favor of cutting social programs that help poor people, which include, single moms, children, homeless. While meanwhile funding tax breaks for the uber rich and corporations and funding our imperialistic endless war budget. But of course, they are just lazy people. I know what you are going to say, "Well, its not that we are against it, we just are against the government doing it. That is best left up to the church to do."

Again, you made an accusation that conservatives allegedly hate what Jesus did. What did Jesus do that we allegedly hate?

Already mentioned that conservatives give more personally to the poor and needy than any others. There are many conservative groups which care for moms, homeless, runaways, children, etc.

But again, please provide details to your dumb claim that conservatives hate what Jesus did.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

The party that you guys support is in favor of cutting social programs that help poor people, which include, single moms, children, homeless. While meanwhile funding tax breaks for the uber rich and corporations and funding our imperialistic endless war budget. But of course, they are just lazy people. I know what you are going to say, "Well, its not that we are against it, we just are against the government doing it. That is best left up to the church to do."

Let's look back at the "Great Society". In it's effort to help the poor and help single mothers and children, it was decided to give "benefits" to those who needed to be helped.
Very compassionate.
We will take other people's money and give it to these people.
Very compassionate.
However, the law of unintended consequences always comes into play and will be obeyed.
So, what happened was this contributed to the breakup of the African American Famiy, which saw huge increases in unwed mothers and unwed multiple mothers.
Which led to welfare reform under Clinton, because the American people became indignant about supporting people who had no intention of working and were content to live off the government support.
I could go on here, but let me ask, how far do you believe this should go?
Or what actions are those receiving government assistance responsible for undertaking to try to become viable members of society?