Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Wow, you assume all sorts of things, don't you?

An assumption is normally not accompanied by a question mark.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Well that was interesting. lol

Anyway, seems God ordained puberty as the "age for marriage", which seems confirmed in Ezekiel 16. Which might explain why practically every culture on earth in all times practiced what today would be considered "early" marriage by modern western standards.

Interesting but not over. His kind staffed the back offices at the Inquisition. Say it! CONFESS! SAY IT! He'll be back until I'm in house arrest for not declaring the earth the center of the universe.

At any rate, Ezekiel 16, though a bit of a parable, might be the only reference in the whole book and I believe you are right and I believe that these practices crossed all religious boundaries.

I find it amusing that these girls over here are imagined to have some sort of "bulls-eye" on their backs from birth when they can barely leave the house without some watchful relative LOL.

Most dads here are pretty hard-core about their girls. It's culturally insensitive to even ask about them.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

So you don't like to be exposed, which I couldn't do. The abundance of your heart did that for you...via your words!

I don't like to be exposed, especially in your nasty little circumcision-obsessed imagination.

So go away. Expose somebody else.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

What is the biblical age for marriage and marriage consumation? Can anyone tell? We have the old testament full of laws (without which sin is not imputed) and not one law talks about the sin of marrying a very young girl.... Hypocrites! If you attack Islam based on secular ideas, what happens when Christianity is attacked based on secular ideas? If your Holy Bible does not declare such an act a sin then how can you condemn it? And if you do condemn it, are you the better judge than God? Are you more Holy and just than God? How can you call a thing sinful that God and the Holy bible are silent about? Doesn't such a stance declare that you are more just and a more righteous judge than God? Surely you can see how such a stance undermines Christianity just as much as it does Islam?

There is no biblical age. Most of what occurs are cultural norms for their age

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I don't like to be exposed, especially in your nasty little circumcision-obsessed imagination.
So go away. Expose somebody else.

"You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the
Holy Spirit: as your fathers did, so do you."

That scripture can be as easily applied to Islam through the Muslims, as well as with any
false religion. The spirit of lies and deceit was so great in your prophet Muhammad, that
you have all been taken in by his deception. Granted the Qu'ran states a iota of truth:
but it does so in order to perpetuate a lie!

Indeed, God is ONE, and there is no other. He IS the God of Abraham, and of Isaac,
and of Jacob. He is the ONE that shepherded Moses for forty years; who revealed His
NAME to Moses and delivered promises hidden in the Law, to him; and who "...in the
fullness of time..." sent His son, Jesus, to preach all truth and righteousness.

But you do not KNOW Him: instead, you DENY Him. Repent: perhaps you
will be given eyes to see and ears to her, and believe and be saved!

[shazeep]

yikes.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Does islam allow pre-pubiscent girls to marry?

From islamic rulings on marriage:

"Islam does not give a specific age for marriage, either for the husband or for the wife. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not”

[al-Talaaq 65:4].

Al-Sa‘di (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “along with those who have it [menses] not” means minors, those who have not yet started to menstruate. Adult women who have never menstruated at all are like those who “despair of menstruation” (i.e., have passed menopause); their ‘iddah is three months. End quote.

Hmmm... did you cath that? Just in case here it is again:
“And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not”

Those who "have it not" means pre-pubiscent girls. This is reiterated in their own interpretation:
Al-Sa‘di (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “along with those who have it [menses] not” means minors, those who have not yet started to menstruate.


But hey its a great religion because the men are told to not "consumate" the marriage until the little girl can physically handle the weight of the pervert, ooopppsss, I mean the man. Here is their teaching:

"A man should not consummate marriage with his young bride until she is physically able to bear intercourse. This varies from one time, place and environment to another."

http://islamqa.info/en/146882


Then there is this teaching in islam:
"Marrying a young girl before she reaches the age of adolescence is permitted in sharee’ah; indeed it was narrated that there was scholarly consensus on this point.

(a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise”

[al-Talaaq 65:4]

In this verse we see that Allaah has made the ‘iddah in the case of divorce of a girl who does not have periods – because she is young and has not yet reached puberty – three months. This clearly indicates that Allaah has made this a valid marriage."
http://islamqa.info/en/22442


That's right. Child brides are ok with islam. The moon god (allah) makes it valid. It is a sick, twisted and perverted religion. As we have seen, they refuse to acknowledge this as a perversion because that would mean identifying their profit as a pedophile.

Bumping this for the resident muslim who hates truth.

Does islam and its deity allow prepubescent girls to marry? The FACTS are what they are.
Instead of repenting from the evil he would rather defend it. Quite revealing, the deception he is under.
He refuses to condemn the practice instead he defends it.
Shame on him. Shame on such an evil religious system. Shame on his "holy man" for participating in pedophilia. Shame on his deity for being so evil and corrupt.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

What evidence? Did you ever get that verse, that tradition, that story, some teaching by anyone anytime in the bible from anywhere? The bible covers literally thousands of years. Can't find it?

Wait I found it. You are demonstrating to the entire online global community that the story in Numbers 22 wasn't such a unique miracle after all.

Bible believing churches are few and far between. Extra-biblical doctrine is a dime a dozen. Like the repeated miracle from Numbers 22, that doesn't make you unique or special. Go find a hobby.

PS: Jesus was born to a married teen mother. He didn't speak about this subject either. Do you have more droppings to leave or are you done here?

ROTFL! Still attempting ad hominem attacks because your deity has been revealed to be a pedophile. Your "holy man" has been revealed as a pedophile and you have been revealed as supporting it.

Oh yes I have demonstrated from the passage YOU brought up that Rebekah was a mature woman when she was married. Selective memory? Or deception that keeps you from acknowledging the truth?

I also brought in the creation standard of marriage which sets the standard for marriages.

YOUR deity changed that standard to allow disgusting old men, like your "holy man" to manipulate little children for his own lustful purposes. I don't expect you to accept the true word of God. You can't even be intellectually honest with your own unholy scriptures, at least on this forum. Besides accepting the truth requires abandoning that despicable religious system called islam.

BTW YOUR prophet was married, not to a "teen" but to a 6 year old baby girl.
Your deity said it was okay to be a pdophile.
Your "holy man" was indeed a pedophile.

What a sick, sick, sick religion you support and defend.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Succeeded: Demonstrated this practice by early Jewish people
Succeeded: Demonstrated this practice during time of Jesus
Succeeded: Demonstrated this practice throughout church history

What you brought: Some vague and irrelevent comparison between marriage and creation.

I failed? (laughing) Next time you pop in here you probably need to bring something substantive. Tell you what - skip the bible. Please find a place in church teachings prior to the 20th century that will demonstrate your "2000 years of betterness" on this issue. You have an extra 6 centuries to draw from. Go ahead. Be my guest.

LOL! No wonder you are a muslim. They get whipped and call it a "victory" ROTFL. Just like Hezbollah! LOL

You have demonstrated zero, nada, nothing.

Anyway, you have never demonstrated anyone practiced pedophilia prior to your deity and prophet. You brought up some ancient Rabbi who said it was okay. BTW you failed to document the tractate that it was supposed to come from. I could care less because that does NOT represent the God of the Bible. Tell ya what. Why don't you show us where in the BIBLE God says pedophilia is okay?

All you have tried to do, poorly I might add, is to bring up a false dichotomy by attempting a false moral equivalence. One more time just for you. YOUR deity has made pedophilia specifically okay. Your "holy man" practiced pedophilia and you support and defend this heinous act. Shame on you! Shame on your not so "holy man" and shame on your deity.

Your whole argument is so flawed that even a cave man can discern it. To bad you can't.
When will you repent?
James was right:
(Jas 2:19 KJV) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

[shazeep]

...aaand yikes. i take it you have proof Muhammad slept with the girl, right, since that seems to be your chief complaint here.