Maybe I'm Too Harsh

Originally Posted by philjones

SomebodyiImportant,

While I agree with your post in principle, I think you have to be careful with using this as a global test. We had a family friend that was like an uncle to me. He exhibited all of the things you listed above PLUS strong discipline in personal areas that are not listed here. By your absolute measure he woujld have been living a life in accordance to God's will! Unfortunately, Tom was an agnostic at best and leaned heavily toward atheism.

What say ye about the absolute measure?

I say the fruits of the spirit are a better measure of a person than sleeve length and other standards, although I am NOT against personal convictions and standards. I think the global test has several parts - the fruits of the spirit, the essentials of the Apostolic doctrine, consistency in ethical behavior of the daily walk. If your family friend did not have a relationship with Jesus Christ in the Holy Spirit, then his "love, joy, peace" and the other "fruits" wore thin somewhere in this life - even if you didn't see it publically. The absolute measure can't be seen. It's somewhere in that sphere where Jesus Christ is the discerner of the thoughts and intents.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Anyone else notice the lack of concern for the "inward" person. Anyone can put on a skirt, let their hair grow out and still be as lost as Rosie O'Donnell at a Promise Keepers Ralley. The fatal misconcpetion is everything is okay on the inside if they look the part on the outside. The skirt and uncut hair is no proof a person heart is correct with the Lord. Would like to do some real pastoring? Or do they teach that anymore.

I agree that there can be those who dress right and yet they are full of dead men's bones, lost. I preach more on inward things that I do outward, but when the inside is right the outside will be right.

[tv1a]

The outward manifestation is more than a dress code. It involves modesty, gender separatation and lack of attention in wardrobe. Not a selective definition of what is modest, gender separation or gaudy.

The outward manifestation is the fruit of the Spirit.

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I agree that there can be those who dress right and yet they are full of dead men's bones, lost. I preach more on inward things that I do outward, but when the inside is right the outside will be right.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The outward manifestation is more than a dress code. It involves modesty, gender separatation and lack of attention in wardrobe. Not a selective definition of what is modest, gender separation or gaudy.

The outward manifestation is the fruit of the Spirit.

Stop already. You are making too much sense. This goes against the whole "we need someone to spell everything out to us" mindset.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The outward manifestation is more than a dress code. It involves modesty, gender separatation and lack of attention in wardrobe. Not a selective definition of what is modest, gender separation or gaudy.

The outward manifestation is the fruit of the Spirit.

WEll I agree with that.

[Old Paths]

I think there is a good profit to made in short sleeved T shirts with a message........

I HATE STANDARDS and

PREACHERS THAT PREACH THEM.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

I think there is a good profit to made in short sleeved T shirts with a message........

I HATE STANDARDS and

PREACHERS THAT PREACH THEM.

You'd probly have better luck with:

I HATE SAINTS THAT WON'T BOW TO MY DEMANDS!.

[Rhymis]

Then again... you may way tooooooo soft,.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

I think there is a good profit to made in short sleeved T shirts with a message........

I HATE STANDARDS and

PREACHERS THAT PREACH THEM.

Go for it.


You will become a millionaire.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NobodyImportant

I guess since I still believe that holiness is essential (and biblical), then I am a little too harsh towards those who see it otherwise.
Since I still believe that ONLY one God believers will go to heaven (again it sure comes out of the Bible that way), then I am a little too harsh against those who propagate something else as true.
I do not believe that we should preach in other denominations nor allow them into our pulpits to preach. That IMO is inviting major trouble and is obviously already spreading mass confusion among what used to be the ranks of apostolics.

I am saddened by many posts here that spurn the old ways for what is being called modern outreach.

We can thank many of our fine leaders(?) for these things.

Church, you may want to reconsider your doings. You may not like the conservative voice for it is a voice that does not allow all the worldly vices that those who have been "set free" allow.

Which one of you can truly say that you live a more godly or holy life now that you have been "liberated"?
Which one of you lives closer to God than ever before since your new found freedom?

Just a thought to consider: if you maintain the same distance from the world that you always have, somewhere along the line you will accept things that you used to once shun for the world is continually moving further from God. The mentality of maintaining the same distance also means that you are moving further from God.

This is my own point of view. You may feel free to trash it if you wish, but it doesn't change the truth being presented.

This post is a logical fallacy. It starts off saying that some (assuming that refers to some here) reject holiness, but I have not seen anyone here say they don't believe Holiness is important or essential. Now, had you said the non biblical phrase "Holiness Standards" your post would have not been a logical fallacy