Newborns & Children go to hell?! What does the Bib

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

None of these specifies though the question about children

Amen.

Verily, verily I say unto you,

Matthew 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear...


Acts 12:14-15
And when she knew Peter's voice, she opened not the gate for gladness, but ran in, and told how Peter stood before the gate.
And they said unto her, Thou art mad. But she constantly affirmed that it was even so. Then said they, It is his angel.

The term "angel" is also used to describe a redeemed human soul. Here, the souls of children always behold the face of the Father. Do no harm to them, they have direct access to Him in Heaven. Will He not hear their cries for justice?

[Shawn]

correctional in nature. Yes. Correctional, in the hopes they would prevent transgressions. Correctional, Preventive.......starting to sound like semantics. But yeah, God will just throw newborns, children, and adults into a pit of eternal fire because he lacks the ability to correct/prevent/forgive.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Shawn

correctional in nature. Yes. Correctional, in the hopes they would prevent transgressions. Correctional, Preventive.......starting to sound like semantics. But yeah, God will just throw newborns, children, and adults into a pit of eternal fire because he lacks the ability to correct/prevent/forgive.

Preventative is BEFORE the deed is done...to prevent it

Corrective is AFTER the deed is done, to correct the offenders error of his ways

Not the same thng

[Shawn]

Something that is corrective prevents further/continual transgression. your stating the obvious.

[Timmy]

Here's your dilemma (some of you):

If a baby that dies goes to heaven for sure, then killing babies would be a very kind act.

You can't argue against that (but you will anyway).

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Much of the talk about "Hell" in the Bible may very well be hyperbole. For example...

Matthew 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Jesus isn't literally saying that we should maim ourselves to ensure that we are saved. It's a calculated exaggeration. Hyperbole is defined as being:

Interesting point. Thinking this through--suppose that one did have a big problem with, for example, sexual sin, and suppose that one DID cut off the offending body part, (the penis, it has happened somewhere or other.) And suppose that this singular act DID in fact prevent one from imbibing in the sin of fornication (mechanically at least.) Suppose additionally, that this serious believer (on a roll now!) also discovered that removing one's testicles prevented not only the physical act of fornication, but predictably also helped against the sin of lust. (Kinda the definition and point of biblical concept, "eunuch," if I understand correctly.) In this case, could it not be correctly said that such a decision, such a strange risk was somewhat PROFITABLE toward entering heaven? So, is Jesus still only teaching hyperbolically? Therefore, such a teaching cannot be categorically labeled soley hyperbole, but at least valid as literal, too.

When Jesus spoke of Hell, Jesus described a place...where the punishment eventually ends:

Do you mean like here?

Mat 9:43 .. "than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched."
(Or is this meaning merely the *fire* which is never quenched, yet the criminal gets set free after a while? If that's true, why is it important to specify that the fire lasts for eternity?)

Mat. 25:41
"...depart from me ye cursed, into everlasting fire.."

In Yul Brynner voice, "Etcetera...etcetera...etcetera."

Apologies to original poster, but some issues grow into other things.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Shawn

Something that is corrective prevents further/continual transgression. your stating the obvious.

I am stating the obvious! Of course but you are confusing what I said.

I did not use the word "Preventative" in the way that you are.

the fact is we have laws and consequences geared to try to prevent crimes from happening not "to prevent a criminal from repeating his mistakes after he gets out of rehab"

That's not what I meant by preventative, so you arguing it was semantics is not based on how I was using the word "preventative"

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Here's your dilemma (some of you):

If a baby that dies goes to heaven for sure, then killing babies would be a very kind act.

You can't argue against that (but you will anyway).

It's relatively simple, Timmy! The Greater Good--ensuring that a precious child is guaranteed to spend eternity in the presence of Jesus--should be preferred by any parent against the mere possibility that the child would grow older only to rebel a little bit against God and be in a fatal car wreck and be damned. Easy choice.

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I am stating the obvious! Of course but you are confusing what I said.

I did not use the word "Preventative" in the way that you are.

the fact is we have laws and consequences geared to try to prevent crimes from happening not "to prevent a criminal from repeating his mistakes after he gets out of rehab"

That's not what I meant by preventative, so you arguing it was semantics is not based on how I was using the word "preventative"

We're discussing the nature of punishment. In this life, unless you get a life sentence or are put to death, all punishments are corrective and work to prevent further transgressions. In the next life I believe they are all corrective, and that the corrections will be eternal.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Here's your dilemma (some of you):

If a baby that dies goes to heaven for sure, then killing babies would be a very kind act.

You can't argue against that (but you will anyway).

That would be "playing God"