Where do the lost spend eternity? Really! - Page 21

Timmy · #**201** 05-23-2007, 08:47 AM

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Uh....been able to stop when they wanted to...and yet allowing the Spirit to speak through them DOES in fact mean they yielded control

OK, yielding control, but able to stop yielding control if they wanted to. I'll accept that. But you said you tried to speak English and couldn't. That, to me, implies you were unable to stop "yielding", at least until it was all over.

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Get alone in your bed room and pray. I know folks that got it praying in their car. This hypnosis stuff is baloney. But yes there is a lot of auto suggestion, like when Benny Hinn makes the front several rows all fall down...that or it's arranged. But people are still receiving the baptism despite the players like him and you can to....assuming what you got the first time was not it. What led you again to decide you faked it?

Are you saying what Benny Hinn does is not the real thing? How do you know that?

I figured out that I faked it after many years of observation (of myself and others), thinking back about my experiences, study, and hearing others admit it. BTW, the term "faked it" is kind of tricky. If I believed it was real (and I did) but it wasn't, is that really faking? "Delusion" may be more accurate.

Steve Epley · #**202** 05-23-2007, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

OK, yielding control, but able to stop yielding control if they wanted to. I'll accept that. But you said you tried to speak English and couldn't. That, to me, implies you were unable to stop "yielding", at least until it was all over.

Are you saying what Benny Hinn does is not the real thing? How do you know that?

I figured out that I faked it after many years of observation (of myself and others), thinking back about my experiences, study, and hearing others admit it. BTW, the term "faked it" is kind of tricky. If I believed it was real (and I did) but it wasn't, is that really faking? "Delusion" may be more accurate.

Well if you was faking it you should know.

Timmy · #**203** 05-23-2007, 08:55 AM

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Well if you was faking it you should know.

But I didn't know right then. I was deluded for a long time. It took many years to figure it out.

Timmy · #**204** 05-23-2007, 08:59 AM

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That it's God keeping them waiting or that speaking in tongues is a necessary pre-requisite to being saved?

Do you believe that speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation, Praxeas?

Steve Epley · #**205** 05-23-2007, 08:59 AM

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But I didn't know right then. I was deluded for a long time. It took many years to figure it out.

You were faking and didn't know it??? Then how do you know you are not faking NOW?

Timmy · #**206** 05-23-2007, 09:03 AM

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You were faking and didn't know it??? Then how do you know you are not faking NOW?

Faking what now? I don't speak in tongues anymore!

Steve Epley · #**207** 05-23-2007, 09:09 AM

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Faking what now? I don't speak in tongues anymore!

Faking what ever you are claiming now.

Timmy · #**208** 05-23-2007, 10:44 AM

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Faking what ever you are claiming now.

Good point!

That could go back and forth forever, couldn't it? If my first tongues were not really fake, and I'm fake faking now, I may go back to tongues, but that could be fake fake faking!

Steve Epley · #**209** 05-23-2007, 10:47 AM

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Good point!

That could go back and forth forever, couldn't it? If my first tongues were not really fake, and I'm fake faking now, I may go back to tongues, but that could be fake fake faking!

Timmy honestly I do not like arguing with you and I love to argue I have proved it but I really worry about you. You have become a burden so I am careful how I react to you. But I am praying for you.

Timmy · #**210** 05-23-2007, 11:48 AM

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Timmy honestly I do not like arguing with you and I love to argue I have proved it but I really worry about you. You have become a burden so I am careful how I react to you. But I am praying for you.

Sure, react carefully. No problem, there. But will you ever carefully respond to this?

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Aw, man, just when the sparring was getting interesting!

How about if I ask what you meant when you told Michlow "to Hell you will go" if she doesn't have a preacher in her life?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...0252#post80252

You have explained to me that saying Bishop Patterson "died lost" did not mean he necessarily would go to hell -- that's for God to decide. Why would that principle not apply to Michlow, also?

Or this?

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Their are no doubt fake tongues as fake professions of faith it means nothing. There must be a real to produce a fake.

Um, are you sure you want to go down that path?

Are there fake leprechauns? Then there must be the real thing, too! By your logic, there must be real leprechauns to produce fake ones (whether in movies or literature, costumed pranksters, or whatever.) The mere existence of fake tongues does not prove that there also exists the real thing. If it did, then there must also be real leprechauns, real tooth fairies, and real three-dollar bills.

Or this?

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Besides, what if the Father's name is Jesus? That wouldn't prove that they are one and the same person. Lots of fathers name their sons after themselves. Or is that in the next lesson?

Sometimes, people get tired of arguing because they know their case is weak. That can't be the case for you, can it?