Dropped By & Somewhat Dismayed But Not Surprised

[not4saken]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I get what you're saying Ron, but here's a question for you - how did Jesus talk about the Pharisees? Was he kind and gentle towards those who put on a good front, wore fancy garments, sat in the high seats, and bound up heavy burdens to put on men and women when they themselves wouldn't even bear the burdens?

In my mind, any pastor who preaches against sin from the pulpit, and disciplines folks for partaking in such - ALL THE WHILE, living in horrible sin themselves, well, they are nothing more than Pharisees. This coming from a former pastor, so please don't think I have all ministers in my sights......I put myself in the same boat.

Bro. Phelps!! PTL!! Its good to see your post on here- you were one of the great positive influences in my life on FCF, and beyond the forum...hope you are doing well, and the family? God bless you!! (WhollyHis) Lynne.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by crakjak

It is not a scandal when the church deals opening with the failure of humans (even ministers), it IS a scandal when like the RCC, the church tries to cover it up. Sin is what humans do, restoration and forgiveness is what the church should do!!! When the church deals with sin in leadership in a responisible way, it gains the respect of the community.

Uhh, if there is a Church problem it is dealt with by the local assembly.
There is a thing called gossip in the Bible & I am sure you probably do not even know what it means.

[Godzchild]

Does anyone have any knowledge of this?



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[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Ron

Uhh, if there is a Church problem it is dealt with by the local assembly.
There is a thing called gossip in the Bible & I am sure you probably do not even know what it means.

Ron, this isn't becoming of you.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I get what you're saying Ron, but here's a question for you - how did Jesus talk about the Pharisees? Was he kind and gentle towards those who put on a good front, wore fancy garments, sat in the high seats, and bound up heavy burdens to put on men and women when they themselves wouldn't even bear the burdens?

In my mind, any pastor who preaches against sin from the pulpit, and disciplines folks for partaking in such - ALL THE WHILE, living in horrible sin themselves, well, they are nothing more than Pharisees. This coming from a former pastor, so please don't think I have all ministers in my sights......I put myself in the same boat.

Hi Michael,

Sorry I missed your post, I wan't ignoring you I just overlooked the post.
Yes, I understand you were indeed a Pastor a UPC one at that & I have seen some of your material which is pretty good.
That being said, i have never once said that he isn't guilty of--something.
It may be, I am not privy to the info & I am sure that if this was dealt with inhouse as a Church it should remain there.
Anything else is gossip, pure & simple.
The forum isn't the place to deal with these issues & isn't fair really to the Minister his family & the other parties as they are not here to present their sides.
If this can't be seen as such & I have pasted scripture for it.
One thing to consider Michael, in dealing with the Pharisees it was Jesus who deaklt with them--not the other disciples.
THere are some things that God holds as his perogative.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Ron, this isn't becoming of you.

Becoming of what? That is a vahgue accusation Renda.
Is it not becoming to stand up for Bible?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Ron

As for Gossip--I'll let you in on a little secret. Here are some of the juicy bits we have talked about:

Different revivals
Trips to the Philippines for Crusades.
How many people have gotten the Holy Ghost lately.
(this one from visiting ministers) what they are doing in other congregations that are working & how it is going.

I must be in a different Church!

Well...Brother Ron, you must be in a different church. I have not seen the same courtesy given to a mere saint as given to other ministers by ministers, unless they hate the other ministers, then all sorts of gossip and talk comes out into the community about them. I know what I am talking about. I am approaching my winter years and have given my life over to God when I was in my early-mid twenties. I've seen a lot of dirty things happen in this community concerning ministers with no restoration attempts made.

I know someone who was married into a minister's family that some ministers sit around at their dinner table and talk about something told to them in confidence by another saint. What does confidence mean? It means it goes NOWHERE but from one person to another. Ministers betray those confidences from the saint all the time.

Saints get pushed out of churches all the time because of gossip about their hair, their makeup, maybe they are shy and don't make friends easily...they are accused of being stuck-up or standoffish. Maybe their clothes are funny looking and appear somewhat ragged. I've seen these people literally go without fellowship from the rest because of their poverty. I've heard saints say nasty things about their fellow saints...nobody reprimands them. They disparage another's character. But because they happened to be a pastor's favorite, or worse, a family member or personal friend, they are not reprimanded and the saints are not taught in lessons of showing fruits of the Spirit. I've not seen any minister leaving the 99 to go find that one who left to bring him/her back into the fold.
They did not take the time to go talk to that saint that left in either tears or hurt feelings.

There is a lot of gossip and blame to go around...and many, but not all times it begins with the ministers.

I do say this though. If you are a minister who lives by a strict set of standards. You don't hate. You don't judge. You don't gossip. You show love to the unlovable. You are to be commended and I really mean that! I suspect that your congregation is very blessed and try to emulate that great man who teaches and preaches to them every service.

Not every minister achieves this greatness, but don't accuse the saints of gossiping who have been hurt by renegade ministers that feel that they are accountable to nobody....apparently not even God. The saints are recounting what they believe to be true. I would hold them accountable if they find that they are wrong to post their apologies here.

Now you will be hard pressed to find any scathing posts about TB's downfall on that thread by me. I even started a thread about restoration because I was disturbed that a man would be permanently banned from pastoring after any indiscretions on his part. However, I do believe that we have the right to discuss these things so that lessons may be learned and so that churches needing a pastor does not get stuck with someone who has done these things to another church and just pick up and move to some unsuspecting church body.


Some would go as far as to label discussion to be gossip.

Speaking of gossip....what do you think about all of the 'gossip' that came from the Brownsville Revival?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Ron

Becoming of what? That is a vahgue accusation Renda.
Is it not becoming to stand up for Bible?

What you said to Crak.

[Godzchild]

[Godzchild]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Well...Brother Ron, you must be in a different church. I have not seen the same courtesy given to a mere saint as given to other ministers by ministers, unless they hate the other ministers, then all sorts of gossip and talk comes out into the community about them. I know what I am talking about. I am approaching my winter years and have given my life over to God when I was in my early-mid twenties. I've seen a lot of dirty things happen in this community concerning ministers with no restoration attempts made.

I know someone who was married into a minister's family that some ministers sit around at their dinner table and talk about something told to them in confidence by another saint. What does confidence mean? It means it goes NOWHERE but from one person to another. Ministers betray those confidences from the saint all the time.

Saints get pushed out of churches all the time because of gossip about their hair, their makeup, maybe they are shy and don't make friends easily...they are accused of being stuck-up or standoffish. Maybe their clothes are funny looking and appear somewhat ragged. I've seen these people literally go without fellowship from the rest because of their poverty. I've heard saints say nasty things about their fellow saints...nobody reprimands them. They disparage another's character. But because they happened to be a pastor's favorite, they are not reprimanded. I've not seen any minister leaving the 99 to go find that one who left to bring him/her back into the fold.
They did not take the time to go talk to that saint that left in either tears or hurt feelings.

There is a lot of gossip and blame to go around...and many, but not all times it begins with the ministers.

I do say this though. If you are a minister who lives by a strict set of standards. You don't hate. You don't judge. You don't gossip. You show love to the unlovable. You are to be commended and I really mean that! I suspect that your congregation is very blessed and try to emulate that great man who teaches and preaches to them every service.

Not every minister achieves this greatness, but don't accuse the saints of gossiping who have been hurt by renegade ministers that feel that they are accountable to nobody....apparently not even God. The saints are recounting what they believe to be true. I would hold them accountable if they find that they are wrong to post their apologies here.

Now you will be hard pressed to find any scathing posts about TB's downfall on that thread by me. I even started a thread about restoration because I was disturbed that a man would be permanently banned from pastoring after any indiscretions on his part. However, I do believe that we have the right to discuss these things so that lessons may be learned and so that churches needing a pastor does not get stuck with someone who has done these things to another church and just pick up and move to some unsuspecting church body.


Some would go as far as to label discussion to be gossip.

Speaking of gossip....what do you think about all of the 'gossip' that came from the Brownsville Revival?