US Embassies in Egypt, Libya Breached, BO Silent

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Cindy

The peaceful people of these countries that live in turmoil and terror everyday. How did we feel when 9/11 happened? Imagine feeling that everyday.

Cindy, do you realize how many offensive things are out there on the Internet? Is the US Government going to have to apologize for every single offensive movie, cartoon, tweet, FB status, email, website, etc?

It's a dangerous and foolish precedent. I could understand apologizing for a foolish statement from a government official, but for some nut job preacher?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

YAY! We are in agreement!

[tstew]

Which statement from the President is being considered an apology?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Cindy, do you realize how many offensive things are out their on the Internet? Is the US Government going to have to apologize for every single offensive movie, cartoon, tweet, FB status, email, website, etc?

It's a dangerous and foolish precedent. I could understand apologizing for a foolish statement from a government official, but for some nut job preacher?

Some of the posters here are so offensive over politics on AFF it makes me almost cry sometimes. It hurts my heart that we lose our perspective of the real reason we need good leadership for our country. And how do we win people to Jesus Christ if we are killing them? We are in their country killing people, I know it's war and that casualties happen. But, we should remember how we felt on 9/11. They can't control what their government officials do, but we have the right to vote here. We need to use it wisely. I do think our President should be very clear that he condemns terrorism anywhere. And clearly state that he opposes any Government that uses it against their people and others.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by tstew

Which statement from the President is being considered an apology?

Beats me.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

We should never apologize for nongovernmental individuals who do not represent the American people exercising free speech. By apologizing we give them more weight than what they actually carry. These Muslim governments do nothing about their schools that are funded by the government indoctrinating their children with hate and violence. Some yahoo from Florida is nothing. These governments and people should be grateful for the blood and trillions we have spent trying to keep their part of the world from falling apart.

THEY SHOULD BE APOLOGIZING TO US!!!!!!!

I apologize for stupid people in my religious organization that do not reflect my views. It's the same thing, IMO.

We do have free speech, but you can't, honestly, say that taking that to the levels this country goes is condusive to peace or a good representation of our country.

Some things we are going to have to apologize for. AND Hillary was perfectly clear that just because the video was a part of free speech in America was no reason for the violence in the Middle East - we don't murder in the name of our God.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by tstew

Which statement from the President is being considered an apology?

From the Byron York article:

"About 7:20 Wednesday morning, President Obama released a statement that first and foremost condemned the attacks... Only after that condemnation did Obama add, "While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally opposed the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.".."

Obama says it indirectly, the ambassador in Cairo more directly, Hillary also with a statement of moral equivalency. These people are his spokepersons.

And it fits a pattern. When he went to Cairo in 2009 he apologized for our actions in he Middle East under Bush. When this crack pot pastor threatened to burn Korans in Florida he apologized to the Muslim world. When our soldiers burned Korans that Muslim prisoners were using to pass secret messages and people rioted and people were killed he apologized.

Newt said it best back in February 2012:

Originally Posted by tstew

Which statement from the President is being considered an apology?

From the Byron York article:

"About 7:20 Wednesday morning, President Obama released a statement that first and foremost condemned the attacks... Only after that condemnation did Obama add, "While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally opposed the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.".."

Obama says it indirectly, the ambassador in Cairo more directly, Hillary also with a statement of moral equivalency. These people are his spokepersons...

And it fits a pattern. When he went to Cairo in 2009 he apologized for our actions in he Middle East under Bush. When this crack pot pastor threatened to burn Korans in Florida he apologized to the Muslim world. When our soldiers burned Korans that Muslim prisoners were using to pass secret messages and people rioted and people were killed he apologized...

Newt said it best back in February 2012: "There’s a one-sided traffic in outrage which we tolerate and, quite frankly, we help enable. I’m not saying, I’m not defending burning the Quran, although the circumstances in which they were being used would strike me as in itself having been blasphemous, because as I understand it, they’re being used as part of a process of passing out messages from people who were in prison. I don’t know all the details.

“What I do know is that we have this one-sided game where our troops get killed, nobody apologizes, and now we’re supposed to be the ones on defense, and I understand General Allen’s in a difficult situation. But if President Karzai is not prepared to apologize for the killing of two Americans by an Afghan soldier, the wounding of four others, I think that this is a two-way street, and we ought to assess deeply exactly what we think is going on.”

We aren't gaining any respect or points with these people by apologizing when they get offended. These things are pretexts. These attacks were planned it appears and coordinated by terrorists. Apologizing just plays into their perception that we are weak and gun-shy. It emboldens them further putting our people and our interests at risk.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Some of the posters here are so offensive over politics on AFF it makes me almost cry sometimes. It hurts my heart that we lose our perspective of the real reason we need good leadership for our country. And how do we win people to Jesus Christ if we are killing them? We are in their country killing people, I know it's war and that casualties happen. But, we should remember how we felt on 9/11. They can't control what their government officials do, but we have the right to vote here. We need to use it wisely. I do think our President should be very clear that he condemns terrorism anywhere. And clearly state that he opposes any Government that uses it against their people and others.

Well I hope I'm not one of those that makes you cry. I did call someone s****d once and apologized. I try to mKe my points here, even passionately, without getting personal. If I do that call me out please. I have read some personal ad hominems that bothered me and I spoke out against those statements.

I believe in the Just Cause theory for war. Christ's admonition to turn the other cheek was directed to individuals, not armies and countries. Our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq were just causes. Tyranny was removed, people were liberated, and freedom was granted to millions of men, women and children. Consequently, there's a greater freedom to spread the Gospel as a result. The loss of human life is tragic at any time, but passivity and appeasement only endangers freedom loving people and emboldens wicked men.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Well I hope I'm not one of those that makes you cry. I did call someone s****d once and apologized. I try to mKe my points here, even passionately, without getting personal. If I do that call me out please. I have read some personal ad hominems that bothered me and I spoke out against those statements.

I believe in the Just Cause theory for war. Christ's admonition to turn the other cheek was directed to individuals, not armies and countries. Our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq were just causes. Tyranny was removed, people were liberated, and freedom was granted to millions of men, women and children. Consequently, there's a greater freedom to spread the Gospel as a result. The loss of human life is tragic at any time, but passivity and appeasement only endangers freedom loving people and emboldens wicked men.

Our cause may be just. But, I am sure that the ordinary people of those countries don't have the privilege of knowing that. To them I am sure we seem like their own governments, tyrants and killers.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I apologize for stupid people in my religious organization that do not reflect my views. It's the same thing, IMO.

We do have free speech, but you can't, honestly, say that taking that to the levels this country goes is condusive to peace or a good representation of our country.

Some things we are going to have to apologize for. AND Hillary was perfectly clear that just because the video was a part of free speech in America was no reason for the violence in the Middle East - we don't murder in the name of our God.

Where does the government draw the line for every offensive piece of literature, website, movie, etc that is used as a pretext for violence in the Muslim world? It doesn't make sense. It sets an unrealistic precedent. And there's no moral equivalency between an offensive movie and murder, and that's exactly what Hillary did with her statement. They should shut up about the offenses of unreasonable people and speak to the disgusting cultures that advocate violence at every turn.