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Old 04-13-2012, 10:36 AM
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Btw open carry is and has been legal in most states. It was the conceal carry laws that sharply dropped crime in most states.
I know open carry is legal in most states, it is in mine. I would just rather make it a standard instead of concealed carry.

In your weak widow case, a criminal is probably going to accost her if she does not have a gun on her hip anyways. 99% of criminals aren't going to think she has a gun in her purse, and they probably wouldn't think she could use it if she did. Making her open carry instead of concealed carry takes away the suspense, and if other people around her are carrying openly also, the criminal is going to want no part of that situation.

Mainly though, I just want to see who has a firearm and who doesn't, so I can make a judgment of being in their vicinity or not.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:40 AM
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I know open carry is legal in most states, it is in mine. I would just rather make it a standard instead of concealed carry.

In your weak widow case, a criminal is probably going to accost her if she does not have a gun on her hip anyways. 99% of criminals aren't going to think she has a gun in her purse, and they probably wouldn't think she could use it if she did. Making her open carry instead of concealed carry takes away the suspense, and if other people around her are carrying openly also, the criminal is going to want no part of that situation.

Mainly though, I just want to see who has a firearm and who doesn't, so I can make a judgment of being in their vicinity or not.
Some might say the "beauty" of it would be, the criminal might be out of commision.

You are thinking different than I. I would rather be closer to a trained, packing individual than not.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:15 AM
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Some might say the "beauty" of it would be, the criminal might be out of commision.

You are thinking different than I. I would rather be closer to a trained, packing individual than not.
If we ever meet, just stay near me and you'll be safe.
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Old 04-13-2012, 11:51 AM
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Some might say the "beauty" of it would be, the criminal might be out of commision.

You are thinking different than I. I would rather be closer to a trained, packing individual than not.
I would much rather be around a trained, packing individual also. That is why I am around myself so much.

However, I don't have as much faith in everyone else. Most of the CCW training classes only cover the bare minimum that is required. Just in talking to people during breaks in my class kind of put me at unease with most of them. It is kind of like being at dinner and seeing a table drink a couple of bottles of wine. That is cool if they want to do that, but I definitely make sure I finish my meal and leave before they can get to their car.
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I say quit overcrowding the jails with non-violent drug offenses and put some real teeth and time into the gun laws. Anyone caught illegally carrying a firearm is a much more dangerous threat to others and society as a whole. I'm sick and tired of murderers and such walking in less than ten years because of overcrowding when half of the people we are crowding the prisons with are because of our "war on drugs".
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Old 04-13-2012, 12:38 PM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter

I'm not surprised.

Just doing a Google Street View of various streets in Inglewood/Washington Park, a suburb on Chicago's south side, would probably reveal where many of these shootings have taken place...
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Our leaders want to take gun rights away. Oh right now it is the big one like AR 15s and AK47s but it will trickle down to handguns.

How many criminals will give up their guns because the government says so?
Criminals will love it when the government takes away the rights of people to own guns. Then they will not have to sell as much dope to our kids because there will be an under ground market for weapons which will bring more money.

When they feel like breaking into your house at night and stealing everything you have they will not fear as much.
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I say quit overcrowding the jails with non-violent drug offenses and put some real teeth and time into the gun laws. Anyone caught illegally carrying a firearm is a much more dangerous threat to others and society as a whole. I'm sick and tired of murderers and such walking in less than ten years because of overcrowding when half of the people we are crowding the prisons with are because of our "war on drugs".
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How about the alcohol and drunk drivers, don't forget to include them in with the drug users. I'm sure they are non violent and don't mean to hurt anyone.

Where we live probably 85 % of the people own guns. Around 35 % of them carry weapons. We haven't had anyone shot yet. So what is the real problem?

Shooting people over drug deals and robbery to get drugs, and anything else you want..

Theys need to put these criminals out into the highways, parks, public areas and make them work instead of laying up in some prison and waiting for their weekend with their lover in the Tax Payer Motel.
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How about the alcohol and drunk drivers, don't forget to include them in with the drug users. I'm sure they are non violent and don't mean to hurt anyone.

Where we live probably 85 % of the people own guns. Around 35 % of them carry weapons. We haven't had anyone shot yet. So what is the real problem?

Shooting people over drug deals and robbery to get drugs, and anything else you want..

Theys need to put these criminals out into the highways, parks, public areas and make them work instead of laying up in some prison and waiting for their weekend with their lover in the Tax Payer Motel.
I think that you unwittingly tied into the irony that my previous post suggests. Drunk driving is a huge problem, yet alcohol is perfectly legal.

My point is that Prohibition and pseudo wars on drugs (I don't have the time to get into that) can create more social issues than they solve if it is not approached correctly. "Shooting people over drug deals in Chicago" is the new "shooting people over liquor deals in Chicago".
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I have to say I am not entirely convinced, but I heard the great conservative William F Buckley give a speech that included his endorsement for legalization of drugs.

He had some pretty good arguments as I recall.
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