Rejoicing In the Sabbath: - Page 8

TGBTG · #71 02-06-2012, 06:47 PM

Gal 4
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Col 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

It's right there. If you wanna "keep" the sabbath, that's fine, but we should not be judging believers in respect of an holy day...

Sabbath keepers get to keep the sabbath once a week. I get to enjoy the sabbath every day. Now, it doesn't get any better than that...

Oh, for the sabbath keepers, is there anything you do on that day that you don't get to do every day?

Aquila · #72 02-06-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Gal 4
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Law of Moses. Not a jot or tittle shall pass from the Law of God until all is fulfilled.

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Col 2
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Again, Law of Moses and the days of convalescence

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It's right there. If you wanna "keep" the sabbath, that's fine, but we should not be judging believers in respect of an holy day...

Misapplication.

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Sabbath keepers get to keep the sabbath once a week. I get to enjoy the sabbath every day. Now, it doesn't get any better than that...

Sabbath keepers worship God every day, resting from the Law of Moses in Christ, yet also honor the Law of God regarding His gift of the Sabbath.

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Oh, for the sabbath keepers, is there anything you do on that day that you don't get to do every day?

Yes. We obey the Fourth Commandment in our freedom, a law written on our hearts. If we love Him, we rejoice in obeying Him. And this we do.

What do non-Sabbath keepers get out of honoring a day admittedly instituted for worship exclusively by Roman Catholic authority without biblical precedent?

Aquila · #73 02-06-2012, 07:41 PM

If one didn't know church tradition and had to choose a day to worship strictly based on the Bible, it would be the Sabbath. Sunday wouldn't even be on the table.

Titus2woman · #74 02-06-2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

What do non-Sabbath keepers get out of honoring a day admittedly instituted for worship exclusively by Roman Catholic authority without biblical precedent?

I find the argument of most Sunday worshipers disingenuous in that:

A. They try to assert that those who honor the Sabbath do not avail themselves of rest in Him daily. Or do not worship God every day.

B. They claim that they do not esteem Sunday above other days. I have found though the years in Catholic, Baptist, and Pentecostal churches that this is simply not true. The Christian church in the bible belt fought for years to maintain 'Blue Laws' to prevent shopping on Sunday. The reason? It was considered the Christian Sabbath. It is considered as a 'holy day' by most of ministry and laity alike across denominations.

There is a day that is set apart for the Lord. For rest from the daily cares of work, the very thing that tends to take our focus off of God. That day is Sabbath. Perhaps with our abundance of leisure time we can no longer see the benefits of Sabbath but anyone who asserts that life does not get in the way of fully devoting our minds and hearts to Him is not being completely honest.

While even Sabbath can not wipe away all cares, it can weekly remind us that God made time for us and we needs make time for Him. It has given me an opportunity to really examine what gets in the way of my prayer time and my private devotions. It allows me time in my prayer closet that rushing off to do the next required thing does not. Sabbath allows me to be still and know that He is God.

Scott Hutchinson · #75 02-06-2012, 07:57 PM

My question would be where in the NT. do we have the Apostles teaching the sabbath as binding for New Covenant believers ?

KeptByTheWord · #76 02-06-2012, 08:00 PM

I am just getting to this discussion late, have been quite busy last few days. Read through all the posts, and didn't see this scripture mentioned. It is one that I have pondered lately and not sure of all the implications. For several years, we have tossed the idea back and forth on the Sabbath, and the 4th commandment, why it seems to be the only one not truly observed. However, I would like thoughts on this scripture in Isaiah and how it could apply to our discussion here about the Sabbath. Part of the chapter is quoted, but the highlighed part is my concern...

Isaiah 66:14 And when ye see [this], your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and [his] indignation toward his enemies.

15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

18 For I [know] their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, [to] Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, [to] Tubal, and Javan, [to] the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

20 And they shall bring all your brethren [for] an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.

21 And I will also take of them for priests [and] for Levites, saith the LORD.

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

This scripture worries me concerning the Sabbath, and concerning swine's flesh. If you go back a couple of chapters in Isaiah, he mentions the people were sacrificing in the gardens, burning insence on altars of brick, remaining among graves, eating swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things. These people said in Isaiah 65 "I am holier than thou" to others. And God said " You are a smoke in my nose" etc. He hated the fact that they were transgressing, and then in Isaiah 65:9 God said he was going to bring out a seed of Jacob, his elect and inheritance, and God further said that the elect, his servants who were called out of the seed of Jacob will eat, drink and rejoice, and that he is creating a new heaven and a new earth, and God talks of how wonderful the new earth is going to be at the end of chapter 65. Then it says in Isaiah 66 how the Lord will plead with all flesh, and the slain of the Lord shall be many. Who shall be slain?

Isaiah 66:17 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

This is the part that worries me, because of the eating of swine's flesh??? I thought the Law of Moses was abolished, and the 10 commandments still stand. How does this go along with this verse?

Then in Isaiah 66:23it says... And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Are we to ignore these ominous words? Or heed them?

I am a fence sitter right now on the Sabbath, and have enjoyed the discussion here. Any other thoughts on this verse?

houston · #77 02-06-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

My question would be where in the NT. do we have the Apostles teaching the sabbath as binding for New Covenant believers ?

It's not there.

bbyrd009 · #78 02-06-2012, 08:05 PM

The Sabbath has become a day of complete rest for me, and is contrasted with every other day being a "work day," or a day when I am consciously "getting out there." So Friday night is like a party at home, and Saturday morning no alarm, and sleep in late on purpose and pancakes. At noon. I do whatever I want that agrees with rest. For me, it kinda severed a tie to "of the world."

If someone has found rest you can pretty much just tell, though, and I've known rest with plenty who didn't observe Saturday. You guys shouldn't go trying to prove that one way is right here, imo.

bbyrd009 · #79 02-06-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

...And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Or in other words, "You are going to be observing the Sabbath," is what I'm getting here.

Scott Hutchinson · #80 02-06-2012, 08:11 PM

I have no probelm with another believer who has a conviction on keeping the Sabbath,I can respect them,personally I don't see it as a new covenant ordinance,but I'll respect one's conviction on the matter and hopefully they can respect my view.