The Mosque Should Be Built!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Freedom of religion is Freedom of religion. That really is the bottom line. If right-wingers are successful in stopping the building of this mosque, it will come back to bite them in the butt. Hard.

When the door is opened to preventing the building of a place of worship on moral grounds, it will only be a short amount of time until Christian houses of worship are prohibited based on moral grounds.

The last thing in this world you people REALLY want is for the mosque to be banned from the vicinity of Ground Zero.

"Freedom of Religion" doesn't just mean, "Freedom of MY Religion."

Mr. Smith

this is a good theory, but we all know this isn't reality. In modern America Freedom of Religion has the common conotation of "Freedom from Christianity"

Good grief, many places of business won't put merry christmas in their ads, people want the ten commandments taken off everything, and throw out "in God we trust".

Why because all of those thing are symbolic of christianity.

I am indeed against them building a mosque, any one for that matter.

As for it coming back and biting us in the butt, that would be the BEST thing for Christianity. Persecution does something for the people of God that religious freedom and comfort seem to never do.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Mr. Smith

1)this is a good theory, but we all know this isn't reality. In modern America Freedom of Religion has the common conotation of "Freedom from Christianity"

2) Good grief, many places of business won't put merry christmas in their ads, people want the ten commandments taken off everything, and throw out "in God we trust".

3) Why because all of those thing are symbolic of christianity.

4) I am indeed against them building a mosque, any one for that matter.

5) As for it coming back and biting us in the butt, that would be the BEST thing for Christianity. Persecution does something for the people of God that religious freedom and comfort seem to never do.

Point #1...No, it doesn't. This is just the mantra of insecure Christians.

Point #2...So what? How many people have come to faith as a result of "In God We Trust" being on their 10 dollar bill? This is ceremonial and token faith, not real faith.

Point #3...There you go. Symbolic. Symbolism has ZERO power. "Having a form of Godliness but denying its power."

Point #4...You are against the building of ANY mosques? Anywhere? Wow.

Point #5...That's actually a good point. I've said often that Christianity has never done so well as when it has been illegal.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

All muslims believe that Sharia is God's law.

So why are we going to subject this group to questioning about their funding? This pathway still opens the same door...if we can make them reveal their funding, the future door will be opened to digging into the details of other churches of every faith.

When in America, we are able to suppress the building of a house of worship outside legal restrictions, the door to all religious suppression will have been opened and will never close again. You don't want that.

Lets just lay down, instead of attempting to bring our country back to God, lets just bend over backwards so that all the pagans can built their mosques and temples.

Seemed to work out ok for Israel in the Old Testament, right????

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Point #1...No, it doesn't. This is just the mantra of insecure Christians.

Point #2...So what? How many people have come to faith as a result of "In God We Trust" being on their 10 dollar bill? This is ceremonial and token faith, not real faith.

Point #3...There you go. Symbolic. Symbolism has ZERO power. "Having a form of Godliness but denying its power."

Point #4...You are against the building of ANY mosques? Anywhere? Wow.

Point #5...That's actually a good point. I've said often that Christianity has never done so well as when it has been illegal.

Mr. Smith, must you always be the judge an the jury?

You must be an attorney....British perhaps.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Lets just lay down, instead of attempting to bring our country back to God, lets just bend over backwards so that all the pagans can built their mosques and temples.

Seemed to work out ok for Israel in the Old Testament, right????

Jason, do you REALLY think we're going to "Bring our nation BACK to God (as if it ever were) by putting stuff on a dollar bill and preventing a mosque? The Church is the steward of the gospel, not a country.

You're going to compare this to Old Testament Israel??? Seriously?

[Michael]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Mr. Smith, must you always be the judge an the jury?

You must be an attorney....British perhaps.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Mr. Smith, must you always be the judge an the jury?

You must be an attorney....British perhaps.

Huh??? Put me on "ignore" if my logic bothers you that much.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Mr. Smith, must you always be the judge an the jury?

You must be an attorney....British perhaps.

I carefully answer you point by point and get this. Bah humbug.

[Michael]

Mr. Smith, I say you are right! Lets build their mosque, and fund it too. That way, maybe, just maybe, they'll like us.
We should leave our bibles at home and start carrying Koran's, and let me instruct my wife to put on a burka, and lets all circumcise our daughters. Lets submit to Sharia Law, and.......


ps it has nothing to do with freedom of religion.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Mr. Smith

this is a good theory, but we all know this isn't reality. In modern America Freedom of Religion has the common conotation of "Freedom from Christianity"

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Point #1...No, it doesn't. This is just the mantra of insecure Christians.

Really? When is the last time anyone in this coutry with any type of media sway had something good to say about Chrisianity. Everything is geared toward tearing down Biblical Christianity, all the while telling us how "peaceful" the muslims are.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Good grief, many places of business won't put merry christmas in their ads, people want the ten commandments taken off everything, and throw out "in God we trust".

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Point #2...So what? How many people have come to faith as a result of "In God We Trust" being on their 10 dollar bill? This is ceremonial and token faith, not real faith.

Your absolutely correct. It isn't a mode of evangelism, and it is simply ceremonial and token. However it is supposed to show where our nations allegience is. I believe that we have been blessed because as a people we have been a Chrisitan nation. I know, I know there has been wickedness in America, even amongst leaders, and unbelief, even amongst some of the founding fathers. I didn't say were a theocracy, so please understand the point I'm making before coming up with your counter-point.

America, even with all of its problems, still is one of the leading Christian nations on this earth.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Why because all of those thing are symbolic of christianity.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Point #3...There you go. Symbolic. Symbolism has ZERO power. "Having a form of Godliness but denying its power."

Agreed again, symbolism has no power in redemption. And again, my point wasn't that saying the pledge of allegience converts the heathen.

However by its very definition symbolism symbolizes something, and those sybolisms that I mentioned symbolize that this is supposed to be One Nation Under God. Not just any God, but under the God of the Bible, namely Jesus Christ.

Having a form of godlineness, has absolutely NOTHING to do with this discussion. But could fit in with some other discussions on AFF .

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I am indeed against them building a mosque, any one for that matter.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Point #4...You are against the building of ANY mosques? Anywhere? Wow.

Yes, and I do understand that is a completely radical statement. I think this is a microcosm of whats wrong with christianity in America. We no longer hate what God hates and love what God loves.

WE should not (and in reality cannot) force anyone to be a christian. If they want to be an athiest, if they want to be a pagan, fine. But we should never support (I dare say promote) false religion. If they want to unbelieve, let them unbelieve, but we dont need to help them build multi million centers for unbelief.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

As for it coming back and biting us in the butt, that would be the BEST thing for Christianity. Persecution does something for the people of God that religious freedom and comfort seem to never do.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Point #5...That's actually a good point. I've said often that Christianity has never done so well as when it has been illegal.

What? We agree?

I knew that Mr. Smith wasn't a bad guy, just a bit "outspoken"


This current post also responds to this post, which I saw after typing this:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Jason, do you REALLY think we're going to "Bring our nation BACK to God (as if it ever were) by putting stuff on a dollar bill and preventing a mosque? The Church is the steward of the gospel, not a country.

You're going to compare this to Old Testament Israel??? Seriously?