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View Poll Results: Are you a one-stepper or a three-stepper?
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I am a one-stepper.
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I am a three-stepper.
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I am uncertain which category I would be.
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11-17-2008, 10:47 PM
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
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Originally Posted by Antipas
A three stepper believes that all three steps are an absolute MUST for salvation. No exceptions to the rule. I know, I was first saved in a solid three stepper church. No allowance for ANYTHING outside of FULL Acts 2:38 salvation.
However, if you feel that all three steps are expected of the believer, but that God CAN and perhaps HAS saved people after sincerely repenting....then you are essentially a one stepper, meaning one step is all that is absolutely necessary for God to save according to his sovereign grace and mercy.
You can't have it both ways. |
You are muddying the water.
but...
You are right!
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-17-2008, 11:02 PM
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
A new believer who rejects the Holy Spirit and refuses to be baptized in water is revealing the quality of his "faith" - in fact, it is likely only a faith proclaimed, but not a faith genuine.
Acts 2:38 is the normative initiation into the New Testament church.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-17-2008, 11:05 PM
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Jesus is the Christ
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
A new believer who rejects the Holy Spirit and refuses to be baptized in water is revealing the quality of his "faith" - in fact, it is likely only a faith proclaimed, but not a faith genuine.
Acts 2:38 is the normative initiation into the New Testament church. |
Yes,
But if he is never thought it, let us say a man like Martin Luther. Such a man who faced the tyranny of the Catholic church and stated "Here I stand".
How can they know if there is no preacher? Not all are given the opportunity of the 2:38 message.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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11-17-2008, 11:09 PM
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
Yes,
But if he is never thought it, let us say a man like Martin Luther. Such a man who faced the tyranny of the Catholic church and stated "Here I stand".
How can they know if there is no preacher? Not all are given the opportunity of the 2:38 message.
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I am not aware of any statements of Martin Luther that indicate he rejected water baptism or the Holy Spirit.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-17-2008, 11:11 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
Yes,
But if he is never thought it, let us say a man like Martin Luther. Such a man who faced the tyranny of the Catholic church and stated "Here I stand".
How can they know if there is no preacher? Not all are given the opportunity of the 2:38 message.
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Some three steppers believe Martin Luther was lost and is being tormented in hell fire right now. Other three steppers believe Martin Luther is in Paradise in the presence of Jesus waiting for the second resurrection also known as the Great White Throne Judgment.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
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11-17-2008, 11:11 PM
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Jesus is the Christ
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
By the way, Mr Hoover -- you seem like a level headed person -- so I ask your opinion on the matter.
I use to work with Bro. Tenney and he and I once got into a talk along this line. I will tell you his response when I read yours.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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11-17-2008, 11:12 PM
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Jesus is the Christ
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I am not aware of any statements of Martin Luther that indicate he rejected water baptism or the Holy Spirit.
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No that was not my point. My point was -- He probably had no one to preach to him Acts 2:38.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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11-17-2008, 11:14 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: near Cincinnati, Ohio
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
By the way, Mr Hoover -- you seem like a level headed person -- so I ask your opinion on the matter.
I use to work with Bro. Tenney and he and I once got into a talk along this line. I will tell you his response when I read yours.
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It will be interesting to hear your opinions of TFT's belief concerning "salvation." I would guess that he is a closet one stepper or believes in the Light Doctrine.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
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11-17-2008, 11:17 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: near Cincinnati, Ohio
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
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Originally Posted by Sam
Some three steppers believe Martin Luther was lost and is being tormented in hell fire right now. Other three steppers believe Martin Luther is in Paradise in the presence of Jesus waiting for the second resurrection also known as the Great White Throne Judgment.
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Other three-steppers will probably find some obscure reference in Martin Luther's writings to "prove" that he was one of an unbroken chain of people who preached the Acts 2:38 plan of salvation and one God anti-trinitarian message throughout the course of church history.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
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11-17-2008, 11:24 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Re: What are you? One stepper or Three stepper
Hmmm... I think he probably did preach Acts 2:38.
I know his descendants do today - I have heard them preach it. They interpret it, and understand it differently than Oneness Pentecostals do, yes, but that does not mean they are not in Christ even as we are in Christ.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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