I have not seen any evidence of a close relationship with Barack Obama. I may be mistaken but I think that I remember some candid recordings when Jackson thought his mic was dead when he had some very less than friendly things to say about him. I may have missed it, but I have not seen evidence of a close relationship between them. Jackson does have a penchant for assuming the right to speak for people. I recall him getting involved in several international incidents as a "spokesperson" for all the American people. I guess if you feel conmfortable with that assumption and characterization you should accept this as well.
I'm assuming that you have knowledge of close personal relationships and policy conversations between the two of them?
Jesse Jackson Jr. has a pretty important position in the Obama campaign.
and stew, I did outline quite a few pieces of evidence that supports JJs thesis.
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Jesse Jackson Jr. has a pretty important position in the Obama campaign.
and stew, I did outline quite a few pieces of evidence that supports JJs thesis.
No, I read those and I can more readily accept pointing to those sources. I may be confused here so forgive me if I am, but I thought we were talking about the Rev Jesse Jackson not Jesse Jackson Jr.
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They sure have a funny way of showing it. Is teaching your children that murdering Jews is an honorable thing and allowing them to watch children's TV programming that glorifies being a suicide bomber. You are fooled if you think that a majority of Palestinians want to just live in peace with Israel. Why did they elect Hamas, a terrorist organization, to power several years ago?
I didn't say that they wanted to live in peace. They want their land back and Israel gone. I know how badly things have escalated. Take in mind, the Palestinian authority demands such programming, not every Palestinian agrees with it.
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They can't even have peace among themselves let alone with Israel! The tribal infighting they have conducted against each other over the past several years has killed many of their own brothers.
Very true, that's why I differentiate the Palestinian authorities from the common everyday Palestinian people. Frankly, Palestinian leadership is just wanting to secure their own political power.
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Not true. There are SOME Christian Arabs that are Israeli citizens and some that dwell in the West Bank/Gaza Strip, but the vast majority are Muslims and have always been. And you couldn't pay an Arab Christian Israeli citizen to give up their citizenship for anything! They are free, they have voting rights and they have opportunity. More than the Palestinians give their own people.
Do you personally know any Palestinians? There are a lot of Christian Palestinians.
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Interesting note here: when the Arabs controlled East Jerusalem and the holy sites, do you know how many Christians and Jews were allowed to worship there? ZERO! Since 1967 and the reunification of Jerusalem, all three groups have been allowed to worship at their holy sites freely, with the Muslims being allowed to "police" the Temple Mount. In the meantime they have been systematically excavating the Temple Mount to remove any trace of Jewish history there that preceded them by thousands of years. Like the Holocaust they deny, they do also with the historical fact that Israel had a Temple standing on that site.
I know they deny the Holocaust, I take issue with that too. However, I don't care much for "holy sites". They're just old ruins and have NO spiritual value.
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I understand commpassion for the innocent Palestinians that want peace and harmony, but evidently they either are very few who want what is good and right for all or they are a very silent majority. But to demonize Israel or the U.S. or radical theologies, look at the historical facts: the Arabs are their own worst enemy.
Where this hypothetical fails is that there were already millions of Jews living in Palestine and when the UN partitioned the land they did so by the enclaves of where Jews/Arabs lived. Take a look at the original partition. That's why it is so hodge-podge. They didn't just draw a line across a map and say "here it is" they divided it according to where people were already settled. the scenario of bulldozers coming over and knocking down daddy's tabacco and coffee shop didn't happen.
Are you saying it NEVER happened or are you saying it didn't happen during the initial partitioning of the land?
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The Jews that lived in Palestine with the Arabs suffered persecution for years prior to the English taking control of that area after WWI. Under the English they enjoyed some respite from the violence against them. But as soon as the English relinquished its control, the Arabs went to war. Those are the facts. The Jews had just as much right to a claim on some of that land as the Arabs, the Arabs didn't want to share. They went to war, lost every time, and to the victoe go the spoils, only Israel didn't "spoil" their enemies. they gave back the Sinai (rich in oil and other natural resources) to the Egyptians, they gave back the West Bank and Gaza, they have made other concessions and compromises onjly to have the Arabs kill more and demand more.
God dispersed them from the land and promised that the land would be trodden underfoot of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
No, I read those and I can more readily accept pointing to those sources. I may be confused here so forgive me if I am, but I thought we were talking about the Rev Jesse Jackson not Jesse Jackson Jr.
are you suggesting the son and the father are worlds apart?
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Wrong. The Palestinians don't want peace....they want their land back. There will be no peace without land. It would be like the UN taking your land and giving it to a Native American. You wouldn't want "peace", you'd want back what was yours. And the source of the failure isn't the Arabs (they're a side player in this drama by the way, I hope you're not confusing Arabs and Palestinians because that would make you look real uninformed)....the failure isn't the Arabs, it's the UN effort to partition a land and a people while expecting them to just smile and go along with it. The failure is with the UN's efforts to carve a nation out of Palestine at the request of radical Zionists.
First, you do realize that the Palestinians are Arabs (because that would make YOU look real uniformed), second Palestine was never a country. It was always a part of one empire or another so the America/Native American analogy doesn't work. It was a part of the Ottoman Empire before WWI and then a part of the British Empire after WWI. It was never its own country, and if it would have it would not have been strictly Palestinians/Arabs (interchangeable terms in case you needed to be informed).
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I think you're putting the chicken before the egg. Our "hypothetical" shop keeper represents untold numbers of stories of Palestinians who lost all they had as a result of the UN's partition of their land and the Zionist authorities heavy handed tactics. They resorted to terrorism as a response to this injustice. Remember, "terrorism" is a poor man's warfare. Had the UN not partitioned their land and gave Israel permission to bulldoze entire sections of what was Palestinian land for generations, the Palestinians wouldn't have resorted to terrorism....because they would have no reason to.
You give me some documentation on these bulldozed sections. Just because you say it happened doesn't make it so. I'm about to post a transcript from an Palestinian Arab Christian's speech that is going to make you and your posts look very uninformed.
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Israel has been forced to make concessions...and think about it...the UN dropped them into hostile territory and took land from the Palestinians. If Israel wants to survive she's going to have to make concessions...but here's the reality of the situation. The Palestinians don't want concessions....they want Palestine back. Just like you'd want your home back if the UN took it from you and gave it to Native Americans.
You need a remedial lesson in history my friend. Looks like you've been reading too many Daily Kos and Huffington Post blogs. I am convinced you don't really have clue.
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Sadly, it has progressed to this point. But it didn't begin with the Palestinians....it began with the UN's hair brained idea of partitioning Palestine and giving the land over at the Zionist's request.
This isn't a pity party....it's an exercise in truth telling. If the UN took your home and your church and your business and gave the land over to the Native Americans I doubt you'd think this was all one big pity party.
You're right, it didn't begin with the Palestinian Arabs, it began with the Jews, thousands of years before ANY Arabs lived anywhere near Israel.
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We agree here. The Palestinians were definitely not capable of handling this problem politically. But think about it....what if the whole world voted that America had to give large sections of land back to the Native Americans. I'm sure that some very radical groups with arise and bombings would begin.
Show me chapter and verse of God's re-establishment of Israel. I assure you that it doesn't describe what we see over their today.
God's promise to Abraham that He would bless those that blessed him and curse those who curse him is rooted in God's plan to use his seed (the Messiah) to save the world....not in some Israeli nationalist garbage.
Your parallel is flawed from the outset. America came into existence as a result of colonization and pioneers building a nation with hard work and perserverance. PALESTINE WAS NEVER A NATION. You can't find that it ever existed as a nation. It was named "Palestine" by the Romans, it was passed back and forth throughout history between empires and crusades. The Ottomans ruled it for a while and the Brotosh had it for a short time. Arabs and Jews lived there as well as others. It never belonged to ANY ONE GROUP from the Romans to the British for 2,000 years. Prior to that there was a VAST JEWISH HISTORY there for thousands of years. Your America/Native American analogy doesn't fit the historical realities of the Middle East.
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One man's terrorist is another man's patriot. If the Boston Tea Party took place today, Britain would take a stand against acts of colonial terrorism.
American patriots threw tea overbaord ships because of unfair taxation.
Terrorists blow themselves up on buses with men, women, children, senior citizens, handicapped and innocent people.
I kind of see a BIG difference here; I don't know, do you?
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The UN is largely an Anti-American, Anti-Israel organization. Their sense of fairness when it comes to the Middle East doesn't exist. Israel is the bad guy, always. The poor Palestinians are the victims.
Continuation of satan's assault on the Jews.
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You bring up some very excellent points. I have always wondered why people support Israel politically for biblical reasons. I understand praying for Israel, but doing everything politically in the favor of Israel because they are called God's chosen people in the Bible seemed confused to me.
American support for Israel is because they are THE ONLY DEMOCRACY in the Mid East. They promote freedom and liberty. ALL ARAB STATES are totalitarian, oppressive to their people and corrupt.
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I think it would be a wonderful world if both parties would agree to a two state solution. However, I doubt they will. Too much blood's been spilled and every day that passes with more blood makes it even more unlikely. If you look at the region it makes absolutely no sense to force the existence of a state that the entire region sees as illegitimate and threatening. Sadly, I don't think that things look good for Israel long term rather it be a Democrat or a Republican in the White House. I think we're going to see us working more with the Palestinians and the Arab world to contain Israel. But forces in the region aren't going to stop until she's gone. If Christ tarries, I believe it's likely that we'll see another large scale invasion of Israel and it will really hit the fan and the global community will be cleaning up the mess for a generation or two.
Yeah, threatening because they show the Arab world what freedom and liberty can bring: prosperity, happy citizens, and security. The sheiks and lifetime presidents, kings and prime ministers in the Arab states don't like the idea of a free and open nation anywhere near them. Its a threat to their stranglehold on their people.
Prediction: Israel will NEVER CEASE to be a nation. Who is going to remove them? They have The Bomb. They will wipe anyone out that ries to destroy them. Your sense of current events and realities in the Mid East are quacky.
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