Ferd, you can't be seriously telling me that you haven't seen people accuse Obama of not voting even to this date.
I think most people believe that a "vote" must be "yes" or "no." Hence, he didn't "vote." He can show that he "voted", even if he didn't make a decision one way or the other. (by voting "present")
Most people probably MEAN "he didn't make a decision" when they say he didn't vote.
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I have seen repetedly people referencing the 120 "Present" votes.
I have seen people confuse that with his Senate record.
I have seen people recently speak of Barak Obamas silence on the current situation and state that he wasnt going to be able to vote "present"
I have not seen anyone suggest that Barak Obama has missed votes in the Senate and use that as a negative against him.
If I had, I would have pointed out that Senators running for president often miss votes. That isnt a big deal. It is only a big deal when they miss important votes when the vote will be close and their allies on the bill need them.
Just as I have repeatedly pointed out that Obama is a US Citizen when people have suggested otherwise.
Just as I have stated repeatedly that BHO is a christian not a muslim.
I cant say it hasnt happened here, I just dont remember seeing it, and i know for a fact, that hasnt been an issue in the actual campaign because I am pretty much up on what is going on in the campaign.
Ferd, it may be due to their confusion of the State Senate and US Senate, but I have seen plenty people accuse Obama of not really voting...so much so that I did ask the question previously about how he can at the same time be the most liberal Senator due to his voting record.
Conversely, what I have noticed is that I don't see the same concern about the fact that the study was unable to rate McCain due to his lack of voting in the US Senate.
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He's a deadbeat ... who is now being hailed as a statesman by some.
A deadbeat? That's harsh. Do you just hold that opinion because of his opinions on certain issues? Or do you really think he's a good-for-nothing loser who has not contributed to or served his country?
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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I think most people believe that a "vote" must be "yes" or "no." Hence, he didn't "vote." He can show that he "voted", even if he didn't make a decision one way or the other. (by voting "present")
Most people probably MEAN "he didn't make a decision" when they say he didn't vote.
But what is being pointed out is that that is not even an option in the US Senate. I think that people just repeat talking points that they heard through the grapevine.
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But what is being pointed out is that that is not even an option in the US Senate. I think that people just repeat talking points that they heard through the grapevine.
Okay, now I'm confused.
And I don't even know what "talking points" are.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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I'm just saying that people are repeating the allegations that they have heard from others in their party. I can't begin to tell you how many times I did see people present the notion that Obama pretty much does not actually vote in the Senate.
I think of talking points as those handful of things that basically become mantra and are blindly repeated and received every election...they usually have very little to do with the real issues that need to be discussed.
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Ferd, it may be due to their confusion of the State Senate and US Senate, but I have seen plenty people accuse Obama of not really voting...so much so that I did ask the question previously about how he can at the same time be the most liberal Senator due to his voting record.
Conversely, what I have noticed is that I don't see the same concern about the fact that the study was unable to rate McCain due to his lack of voting in the US Senate.
well, lets set it strate. Obama and McCain have missed votes while running for president. neither have abandoned their party when thier vote was needed to get some work done that was vital to their interest.
Obama voted Present during his tenure as an Ill. legislator and it gets play because it should get brought up.
Anyone suggesting that either candidate has missed votes in the Senate and is thus a deadbeat, is obfuscating and missing the point.
As to the discussion in this thread, Senator McCain clearly intends to be in Washington for this crisis, Obama thinks he can walk and chew gum at the same time.
How is that?
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I think John McCain is a man of character. There is no denying the man is an American hero and all of us should be appreciative of his brave, noble service the country. I mean that and will always have a deep regard and deep respect for John McCain.
I've liked John McCain for a long time going back to his days on Don Imus' radio show. He USED to be a true Maverick who didn't toe the party line on either side and shot straight from the hip. That all has changed.
Over the last few years, he's been inseperable with the failed policies of the Bush administration in an effort to solidy the "base" for his run at the Presidency. In that respect, he's been successful. He's also been successful in making his title of some type of Maverick or reformer laughable.
I also am convinced his campaign team is in over their head. The last two weeks they've struggled to put out any type of coherent message. There have been more flip flops than your local McDonalds. At first the fundamentals of the economy were sound, and then he really meant it was the "workers" that were sound. Next in an interview, he acted cold to the idea of meeting with the President of Spain who happened to be an ally in Afghanistan fighting al-qaeda. Then he was against the AIG deal before he was for it. Then his silly knee jerk reaction to suspend his campaign and ads and try to postpone the debate.
He's been anything but calm, reasoned and Presidential over the last two weeks. I mean Rick Davis and his crew are apparently asleep at the wheel or desperate. They need to get ahold of themselves and present a strong, steady message to the American people if they expect to win.
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well, lets set it strate. Obama and McCain have missed votes while running for president. neither have abandoned their party when thier vote was needed to get some work done that was vital to their interest.
Obama voted Present during his tenure as an Ill. legislator and it gets play because it should get brought up.
Anyone suggesting that either candidate has missed votes in the Senate and is thus a deadbeat, is obfuscating and missing the point.
As to the discussion in this thread, Senator McCain clearly intends to be in Washington for this crisis, Obama thinks he can walk and chew gum at the same time.
How is that?
Ferd, the point that I'm making is the study that many people refer to here on this thread that was unable to grade McCain was well before the elections...as evidenced by the fact that it did successfully grade Obama. I would expect that the people who are concerned that Obama may not be voting enough would also be concerned about that fact.
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Re: McCain once again is doing the honorable thing
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I think John McCain is a man of character. There is no denying the man is an American hero and all of us should be appreciative of his brave, noble service the country. I mean that and will always have a deep regard and deep respect for John McCain.
I've liked John McCain for a long time going back to his days on Don Imus' radio show. He USED to be a true Maverick who didn't toe the party line on either side and shot straight from the hip. That all has changed.
Over the last few years, he's been inseperable with the failed policies of the Bush administration in an effort to solidy the "base" for his run at the Presidency. In that respect, he's been successful. He's also been successful in making his title of some type of Maverick or reformer laughable.
I also am convinced his campaign team is in over their head. The last two weeks they've struggled to put out any type of coherent message. There have been more flip flops than your local McDonalds. At first the fundamentals of the economy were sound, and then he really meant it was the "workers" that were sound. Next in an interview, he acted cold to the idea of meeting with the President of Spain who happened to be an ally in Afghanistan fighting al-qaeda. Then he was against the AIG deal before he was for it. Then his silly knee jerk reaction to suspend his campaign and ads and try to postpone the debate.
He's been anything but calm, reasoned and Presidential over the last two weeks. I mean Rick Davis and his crew are apparently asleep at the wheel or desperate. They need to get ahold of themselves and present a strong, steady message to the American people if they expect to win.
Mike, he clearly didn't recognize the name of the Prime Minister of Spain...and then in order to save face his people refused to acknowledge this and did try to stand by his statements (which I think is ridiculous)...call it a Foreign policy gaffe.
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