Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

I believe in the divine three-step mandate of repentance, water baptism, and Holy Ghost infilling to enter heaven. Also, I become weary hearing and reading one-stepper illustrations of the "what if theory." Here's a question for you one-steppers.

There's an atheist, the son of a Pentecostal preacher traveling via airplane and finally accepts the message of Jesus Christ. The atheist states he'll repent of his sins after landing, while in the presence of his father, and the airplane then explodes in mid-air.

Would God send a Pentecostal's preacher boy to hell after his determination was to repent in the presence of his physical father, that his physical father might rejoice with him, in the presence of a mighty merciful God?

I mean, surely, the same merciful God that saves a person after their determination to get baptized, and yet dies in a plane crash before being baptized, this very same merciful God will save a sinner whose determination was to repent, but dies in a plane crash, correct?

This is the same logic you one-steppers utilize, so your answer should be undoubtedly swift.

Bro/Sista?, It seems from your post, that your idea of repentance is going to a Apostolic altar, crying, telling God you are sorry, asking Him to forgive sins which Jesus has already suffered pain and death to forgive and then getting up, and promising your self that you are never going to sin again.

If this isn't your perception of repentance, would you describe for me what you believe it is.?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The post is wrought w/ the spirit of spiritual elitism and exclusivism that has isolated some to reject those filled w/ God's Spirit as His ... although He declares them His.

1 Cor may need to look at what he's advocating ... especially in determining w/ absolute certainty the mind of God and the heart of men.

Not to dismiss faulty understanding of what faith and repentance is.

Like yours is any different Daniel? Only when you say it is.

[Nahum]

Pelathais, I agree.

His sig line is embawassing.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

And here you are Daniel with your usual. I am right and if you don't believe what I do you are wrong. Repentance is not a condition to salvation, I will when or if. That is wrong, no steps at all.

No steps? Hey! Finally someone I can agree with on this.

And I think DA would probably agree too, but he's easily riled, especially by Ma... I mean 1Corinth2v1... I mean 4.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro...your post insinuated that we should preach that all who don't obey Acts 2:38 are lost. But then you left open a possibility that God might judge differently, that's what's sloppy. That's like committing to preach something that might not be true.

How is it?
What does the word state?
Obey Acts 2:38.

God is God & can do whatever he believes is just.

What about Enoch or Elijah?

God in his sovereignty let those men escape death?

Was he not sovereign in that act?

I can't teach that God will act that way again, he may, he may not, but I can't share Acts 2:38 message with everyone.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ron

Was God being exclusive in Noah's day?
Was he exclusive when he "only" spoke to Abraham?
What about Moses, that was pretty exclusive in cutting out the Egyptians don't you think?

It isn't exclusive at all, when you think that the command is to whosoever will.
Every man, woman, & child has this promise to them.

Is God at fault if they choose otherwise?

We're talking about the Gospel here.

I believe that when one repents they are forgiven of their sins, they are then expected to obey and be water baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. I believe that if they refuse to obey they are in grave danger...if they get killed by a bus on the way to their baptism they are judged according to their heart.

The issue is motive. Why is one unbaptized? If it's circumstantial there is grace. If it's rebellion or indifference, there is judgment.

The issue is obedience. Not requirement.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We're talking about the Gospel here.

I believe that when one repents they are forgiven of their sins, they are then expected to obey and be water baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. I believe that if they refuse to obey they are in grave danger...if they get killed by a buss on the way to their baptism they are judged according to their heart.

The issue is motive. Why is one unbaptized? If it's circumstantial there is grace. If it's rebellion or indifference, there is judgment.

I do have a plan of salvation that is Acts 2:38.

Where is your scripture for this in the bolded part?
I mean it is nice and all, and I would personally like for Heaven to be popuated with every man, woman, & child.

Hell should only be for Lucifer and his angels.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ron

I do have a plan of salvation that is Acts 2:38.

Where is your scripture for this in the bolded part?
I mean it is nice and all, and I would personally like for Heaven to be popuated with every man, woman, & child.

Hell should only be for Lucifer and his angels.

If a person dies on the way to their baptism are they not dying in obedience to Acts 2:38?

The issue is a heart of obedience...not sacramental requirement.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Ron

Was God being exclusive in Noah's day?
Was he exclusive when he "only" spoke to Abraham?
What about Moses, that was pretty exclusive in cutting out the Egyptians don't you think?

It isn't exclusive at all, when you think that the command is to whosoever will.
Every man, woman, & child has this promise to them.

Is God at fault if they choose otherwise?

Noah and his family were selected for salvation and the call to Abraham was by definition "exclusivistic." But this was an "exclusion" that God Himself made. Noah and Abraham both seemed to be open to the idea that others might join in with them in their salvation.

It seems that no one in Genesis 6-9 ever even had the opportunity to repent. Though Peter seems to infer that they did (1 Peter 3:20); but only Noah was said to have found "grace" and only Noah was called.

The salvation found by Noah and Abraham begins with God's selection and His call. God chose to save them. That's what saved them, God's choice to do so. This is called "grace." This "exclusivity" is an exercise by God and not man. The fact that "Noah preached" seems to show that the man himself exercised no such exclusive judgments.

So also it is with the New Testament believer (Ephesians 1:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 2:9).

We preach Acts 2:38, just as Noah built the boat. And though in the end only Noah and his family went onto that boat, we must have the same expectations that Noah seemed to have that the grace of salvation was still available to everyone.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If a person dies on the way to their baptism are they not dying in obedience to Acts 2:38?

The issue is a heart of obedience...not sacramental requirement.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Noah and his family were selected for salvation and the call to Abraham was by definition "exclusivistic." But this was an "exclusion" that God Himself made. Noah and Abraham both seemed to be open to the idea that others might join in with them in their salvation.

It seems that no one in Genesis 6-9 ever even had the opportunity to repent. Though Peter seems to infer that they did (1 Peter 3:20); but only Noah was said to have found "grace" and only Noah was called.

The salvation found by Noah and Abraham begins with God's selection and His call. God chose to save them. That's what saved them, God's choice to do so. This is called "grace." This "exclusivity" is an exercise by God and not man. The fact that "Noah preached" seems to show that the man himself exercised no such exclusive judgments.

So also it is with the New Testament believer (Ephesians 1:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 2:9).

We preach Acts 2:38, just as Noah built the boat. And though in the end only Noah and his family went onto that boat, we must have the same expectations that Noah seemed to have that the grace of salvation was still available to everyone.

I only know of one salvation plan.
God was not under obligation to give me one.
That is Grace.

Would to God that everybody would obtain the same salvation.
It is available to them.