Is "One-Step" Closer To Hell?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You appear to be sadly ignorant of what it means to have "saving faith in Jesus Christ..."

You seem to be so steeped in "works based" salvation that you see salvation as a "to do list..." Thus "repentance" is something your hypothetical "preacher's boy" can simply add to his schedule along with his laundry and yard work.

If the "preacher's boy" truly came to a saving faith in Jesus Christ while on the aircraft, his repentance would have been immediate. And so, all that would remain in your story would be for the young man to carry the report of his conversion to his father.

It is the report of his conversion that would have been interrupted by the imagined explosion, not the young man's repentance.

It may be that he was also convicted in his heart about some angry words that he had shared with his father at some point - Repentance would of course necessitate apologies and reconciliation, but that involves his relationship with his earthly father.

You really need to see conversion and belief in Jesus Christ as an interactation between the human heart and the Holy Spirit. Once you have done so, I believe that you will understand saving faith more clearly.

Okay... bump for 1Corinth2v4

And before you make yourself look even sillier - how about cleaning up your sig line? Your attempt at hautiness fails when you use such poor English. You merely come across as absurd and embarrass the rest of us Apostolics who fear that the lurkers will put us all into the same basket as your sophomoric rants.

[1Corinth2v4]

cough

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Me, me.....let me..........
Repentance just means a change of mind, or change of direction. It literally meant "about face" in the Greek. It is when you are on a road toward hell and you turn around and start toward God. It is not crying in an altar, although it can be accompanied by that. It may not be emotional at all. It is a decision to turn from following your own ways and beginning to follow God's ways.

We laughed for years at Baptists saying someone made a "decision for the Lord" but that's what repentance literally means. I've seen a lot of people weep and cry in an altar because they were emotionally moved and then go out and live the same way when they left church. They never really made a life changing decision, but were moved at the moment. Give me a decision anytime!

Great post, Sherri!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

cough

???

C'mon Ma... I mean 1Corinth2v4 - engage.

[Aquila]

Here's a better one. Let's say a man is a prisoner of war and is kept in solitary confinement. He remembers how his daddy always warned him of Hell and pleaded with him to just believe and obey the Lord the day he got the Holy Ghost, but he was never baptized. The young soldier begins to come to the realization that he may very well die before being released. And he begins to cry with sobbing tears for God to forgive his stupidity, his unbelief, and his sins. Suddenly the door swings open and five mask wearing Taliban soldiers walk into the room. They begin screaming in Arabic and pull him up by his hair. They drag him down the hall into another room and blindfold him. They begin screaming "Al akbar, al akbar, al akbar!" He hears them surrounding him and the unsheathing of a large blade. He begins to scream, "Save me! Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!" The Taliban soldiers then mercilessly push him to his knees and behead him.

Did he die and stand before God and be cast out because his captives would have never allowed him to be water baptized?

[Aquila]

Here's a question I have always had that no three stepper has yet to answer.

If sins are not forgiven until one is water baptized...how do people receive the Holy Ghost immediately after repentance?

God will not dwell in an unclean and unforgiven temple. It shouldn't even be possible for someone to receive the Holy Ghost prior to water baptism if sins are not forgiven at repentance.

In my opinion they seem to see the Holy Ghost as an impersonal energy that will flow through any door at the whim of a person. If the Holy Ghost is indeed the very Spirit of God, he chooses to infill those who have repented though they are unbaptized. Why?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here's a question I have always had that no three stepper has yet to answer.

If sins are not forgiven until one is water baptized...how do people receive the Holy Ghost immediately after repentance?

God will not dwell in an unclean and unforgiven temple. It shouldn't even be possible for someone to receive the Holy Ghost prior to water baptism if sins are not forgiven at repentance.

In my opinion they seem to see the Holy Ghost as an impersonal energy that will flow through any door at the whim of a person. If the Holy Ghost is indeed the very Spirit of God, he chooses to infill those who have repented though they are unbaptized. Why?

"cough"

Let's see, however... Steve Epley's response will be to start a new thread stating something like:

"That means you believe in gay marriage and abortion...!!!"

Ma... I mean 1Corinth2v4's response will be something like:

"Your obviously to stuped two reason with...!!!"

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by pelathais

"Your obviously to stuped two reason with...!!!"

I believe admin doesn't approve of that word. Perhaps they'll make an exception since you didn't know how to spell it.

Either or, it was the motive behind your word.

[Aquila]

My point is that God chooses to infill unbaptized believers. This is only possible if they have been forgiven of their sins. What God actually does should override our pet theologies.

Now...if a repentant person refuses to be water baptized and dies in rebellion, they will be lost. But if a person repents of their sins and fully intends to obey and is killed before baptism, God knows and judges based on the heart...not based on Three-Stepper sacrementalism

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Aquila

My point is that God chooses to infill unbaptized believers. This is only possible if they have been forgiven of their sins. What God actually does should override our pet theologies.

Now...if a repentant person refuses to be water baptized and dies in rebellion, they will be lost. But if a person repents of their sins and fully intends to obey and is killed before baptism, God knows and judges based on the heart...not based on Three-Stepper sacrementalism

What God does is his prerogative.
Our duty is to teach,preach, & obey Acts 2:38 salvation message.

Anything else is just speculation.