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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
I understand POA and others have had non OP speakers on a somewhat regular basis.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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06-21-2008, 08:51 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I understand POA and others have had non OP speakers on a somewhat regular basis.
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We read and preach from a Bible (King James Version) translated by trinitarians.
We sing a lot of songs that were written by trinitarians.
The UPC Publishing House has lots of books, etc. which are trinitarian in origin.
Lots of oneness ministers plagiarize trinitarian sermons and pass them off as something they've heard from God. I remember a UPC minister who was a second year student at ABI when I was there as a first year student in 1956/1957. As part of his homework assignment he had to turn in a sermon every week. The way he did this was he had a friend type one up each week from the Pentecostal Evangel (an Assemblies of God publication). He explained to me that God "gave" him those weekly messages by providing him the money to subscribe to the magazine. I've heard my UPC pastor preach a sermon that I had previously read in the Pentecostal Evangel.
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06-21-2008, 08:59 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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I was once told that the PAW invited a Trinitarian preacher to speak at one of their recent conventions. I find that amazing and appaling, if true.
That's something you'd never see at a UPCI convention, ever.
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Yeah, God forbid that a oneness pastor would have one o' them "heathern" devilish, unsaved, tongue talkin' trinnies in their pulpit. God would condemn the man, I tell you! Banish him from the promised land! Take away his inheritance! Destroy his church! And a host of other things that he would deserve from such a dastardly deed!!! 
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06-21-2008, 09:04 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
Aw carp, you said "He said y'all need to be delivered from that."
Been there done that, working towards the kingdom.
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06-21-2008, 09:07 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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I understand POA and others have had non OP speakers on a somewhat regular basis.
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Do you mean the Pentecostals of Alexandria? My cousin is on staff there and I have never heard of them having trinitarian preachers. When I lived in Alexandria, I picked up Bro. G. A. one day from the Airport. He personally talked to me about a big burden he had for a former AG pastor who had then gone out of that organization. That minister had a growing and thriving church in Alexandria and still does (I believe his son now pastors it). Anyway, GA said that he was praying that God would deliver those people from this Balaam like preacher.
I respect Bro. GA and believe firmly in the oneness (and all it entails), but I do not agree with that statement he made. Of course, him being my elder I did not disgree with him.
Anyway my point on the matter is I have never known of a trinitarian preach there. Over 8 years ago there were some HGF black baptist ministers from Shreveport who got baptized in Jesus name, and they were allowed to testify. However, they were never invited to preach.
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06-21-2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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I understand POA and others have had non OP speakers on a somewhat regular basis.
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I think you are incorrect here. I don't think the POA has had any trinitarian preachers that I know of behind their pulpit to "preach".
Anthony has had "seminars" with folks like John Maxwell or had him speak to a group of ministers but as far as having a trinitarian preach a church service - I don't think it has ever happened.
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06-21-2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
MANY years ago, my UPC member pastor os our independent church, had the Roy Knight Singers come and sing for our congregation.
Their major song was "Wrapped Up, Tied Up, Tangled All Up in Jesus". Great song, Oneness people shouting all over the place despite the second verse.
"After I got salvation, I wanted a little bit more, so I got down on my knees, and began to seek the Lord. I knew the Holy Spirit, and I prayed for Him to come, before I knew it, I found myself speaking in unknown tongues."
Did the person get salvation before they spoke in tongues??????
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06-21-2008, 09:34 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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Originally Posted by CC1
I think you are incorrect here. I don't think the POA has had any trinitarian preachers that I know of behind their pulpit to "preach".
Anthony has had "seminars" with folks like John Maxwell or had him speak to a group of ministers but as far as having a trinitarian preach a church service - I don't think it has ever happened.
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Well actually that IS what I was refering to. John Maxwell is a non-OP Christian speaker.
Why should he be disqualified? was the pulpit not used? 
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-21-2008, 09:37 PM
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Jesus is the Christ
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Well actually that IS what I was refering to. John Maxwell is a non-OP Christian speaker.
Why should he be disqualified? was the pulpit not used? |
This was done during BOTT and it was strictly on leadership principles. There was never any doctrinal issues discussed.
However, they have never preached to his congregation.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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06-21-2008, 10:02 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
The PAW and the UPC are in biblical error. When ever you hear a church say its ok to wear what ever you want and /or you can wear JEWLERY, its in error. 1Timothy 2:9-10 and 1Peter 3:3-4 is right in the bible, and not going anywhere. So, the PAW and the UPC are both going to hell, if they don't obey the bible
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