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06-21-2008, 05:34 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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06-21-2008, 06:20 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
A couple of things to keep in mind...
1. Those who dress conservative are not automatically legalistic.
2. Many if not most UPC adherents would not say dress standards as they practice them are required or "mandated for salvation".
3. Not practicing "dress standards" or having no minimum dress requirement does not indicate an absense of legalism... but it may be indicative of laxness in other, more important areas of Christian living.
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06-21-2008, 06:23 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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At any rate, I spent two hours talking about stuff. No wonder the UPC doesn't have any inkling of a desire to get involved or even acknowledge them.
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Excuse me? What in the world are you talking about? No wonder? because they talk to long? Two hours? Something is missing here...especially the part about the UPC having no inkling (whatever that means) of a desire to get involved or even acknowledge them. Says who? Please prove this statement
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06-21-2008, 06:25 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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From Wikpedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penteco...s_of_the_World
Really it has everything you wanted to know.
The Pentecostal Assemblies of The World, Inc. (PAW) is the oldest Oneness Pentecostal organization in existence, and was founded in 1906, formally organized in 1912 as adherents of trinitarian beliefs, and in 1916 re-organized as a Oneness Pentecostal organization...
As I was speaking with this gentlemen, meeting some very fine folks going in and out of the church, I realized they do not embrace, nor do they believe they are biblical, the social and cultural standards the UPC embraces.
This man told me the PAW believes the doctrine, but that all the trappings of legalism and mandated holiness was pretty much sin.
They believe the exact same thing as the UPC does in terms of baptism, speaking in tongues and salvation, and I told him this, most UPC and/or ultraconservative apostolic individual would say your women are not saved.
He really liked that one. He said y'all need to be delivered from that.
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Many PAWs still hold a lot of standards other than the jewelry and hair one. The PAW women I see wear cheap jewelry, not gaudy stuff and they cut their hair, but many have no makeup and wear dresses.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-21-2008, 06:25 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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The foot of a four legged mammal silly!!!!!  |
Or the father of a coon killin boy
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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06-21-2008, 06:28 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
A couple of things to keep in mind...
1. Those who dress conservative are not automatically legalistic.
2. Many if not most UPC adherents would not say dress standards as they practice them are required or "mandated for salvation".
3. Not practicing "dress standards" or having no minimum dress requirement does not indicate an absense of legalism... but it may be indicative of laxness in other, more important areas of Christian living.
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I've just never understood why we would want to have these extra Biblical "standards" they do nothing but create barriers and burdens for people to crawl over. When will we outgrow this silliness? Do we think God is pleased with us for making serving him difficult?
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06-21-2008, 07:06 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
I've just never understood why we would want to have these extra Biblical "standards" they do nothing but create barriers and burdens for people to crawl over. When will we outgrow this silliness? Do we think God is pleased with us for making serving him difficult?
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You would have to ask someone who views these things as you presuppose in this post.
A proper concept of Christian disciplines should be about blessing and support - not burdens and barriers.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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06-21-2008, 08:28 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
I was once told that the PAW invited a Trinitarian preacher to speak at one of their recent conventions. I find that amazing and appaling, if true.
That's something you'd never see at a UPCI convention, ever.
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06-21-2008, 08:37 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
Have you boys had your "fun" with my PAW question?
I hope so.
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06-21-2008, 08:37 PM
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Re: Just spent two hours talking with a PAW minist
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
I was once told that the PAW invited a Trinitarian preacher to speak at one of their recent conventions. I find that amazing and appaling, if true.
That's something you'd never see at a UPCI convention, ever.
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Fellowship between trinitarians and oneness still goes on but usually at the local church level. I remember back in the nineteen seventies when the Ohio District of the ALJC rescinded a pastor's license/credentials because he had a trinity minister (I think he was Church of God) preach for him on more than one occasion. It bothered me back then that they as an organization did not allow that much liberty to a pastor and local church. I've been to a UPC church quite a few years ago when they had a trinitarian singing group come on more than one occasion.
The late AD Urshan started to baptize people in the name of "the Lord Jesus Christ" in Chicago, IL back in 1910 but he himself was not baptized that way until about 5 years later while preaching in Persia and Russia. He still continued to minister in both trinity and oneness churches until some time in 1918.
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