Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

[Newman]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Is Texas appealing? And if not, are the children going to be sent back?

Texas said they are thinking about it. However, they would be nuts to do so because:

1. The judges were unanimous and unequivacable about the many problems with what occured. (They have a high hurdle to surmont).

2. Texans are beginning to question the wisdom of pouring 30 million dollars into a situation where the facts aren't falling the way CPS alleged. The political hot potato would be better dealt with swiftly rather than drawn out.

IMO

[Steve Epley]

I thought of Newman today when I heard the news. I figured this would happen. The seizure was not kosher. I abhor what they are practicing in that compound but this Janet Reno type invasion was not right.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Newman

Texas said they are thinking about it. However, they would be nuts to do so because:

1. The judges were unanimous and unequivacable about the many problems with what occured. (They have a high hurdle to surmont).

2. Texans are beginning to question the wisdom of pouring 30 million dollars into a situation where the facts aren't falling the way CPS alleged. The political hot potato would be better dealt with swiftly rather than drawn out.

IMO

I hope those poor children are not subjected to any more harm by the state. So even if any of those kids were abused, the state can't keep or remove them or prosecute the abusers because the state didn't have grounds to go in the way they did?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I hope those poor children are not subjected to any more harm by the state. So even if any of those kids were abused, the state can't keep or remove them or prosecute the abusers because the state didn't have grounds to go in the way they did?

What will probable happen is each family will be investigated for abuse individually before the children are released.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Rico

What will probable happen is each family will be investigated for abuse individually before the children are released.

That could take a while, over 400 children. I absolutely hate the thought of any child being abused in any way. But I also feel some compassion for the mother's.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I thought of Newman today when I heard the news. I figured this would happen. The seizure was not kosher. I abhor what they are practicing in that compound but this Janet Reno type invasion was not right.

DITTO!

[Nina]

Originally Posted by Newman

Appeals court rules Texas acted improperly in seizing FLDS children

"In a state of nature all men are equal in rights, but they are not equal in power; the weak cannot protect themselves against the strong. This being the case, the institution of civil society is for the purpose of making an equalization of powers that shall be parallel to, and a guarantee of, the equality of rights. The laws of a country, when properly constructed, apply to this purpose.
Thomas Paine-Dissertations on First Principles of Government"

[Nina]

From a Yahoo News report:

"Even if one views the FLDS belief system as creating a danger of sexual abuse by grooming boys to be perpetrators of sexual abuse and raising girls to be victims of sexual abuse ... there is no evidence that this danger is 'immediate' or 'urgent,'" the court said.

"Evidence that children raised in this particular environment may someday have their physical health and safety threatened is not evidence that the danger is imminent enough to warrant invoking the extreme measure of immediate removal," the court said.

The court said the state failed to show that any more than five of the teenage girls were being sexually abused, and offered no evidence of sexual or physical abuse against the other children. Half the youngsters taken from the ranch were 5 or younger. Only a few dozen are teenage girls.

The court also said the state was wrong to consider the entire ranch as a single household and to seize all the children because some parents in the home might be abusers.




I believe the Texas Supreme Court will overrule the decision.

Nina

[SDG]

It's hard to juggle law enforcement and civil liberties ... I too find it repulsive to think of what might be happening at this compound ... and want the law to come down hard on sexual predators ...

That said we know the original call was a hoax ....

Would this case proceed if these were "normal folks" ....??? Would children be in foster care if these were "decent law abiding" people (tic).????

There are too many red flags here ... I believe this case has implications for the Church and parents rights as a whole .... I don't want to see those rights stripped away because some bureaucrat thinks I'm cultic.

[SDG]

The Third Court of Appeals in Austin said the state failed to show the youngsters were in any immediate danger, the only grounds in Texas law for taking children from their parents without court action.

IT BOILS DOWN TO THIS ... Were any kids shown to be in immediate danger based on the faulty info they received .... this is THE LAW IN TEXAS ....

I didn't comment much here on the forum about this case but JG and Cass are my witnesses ... I said the state would be embarrassed by their approach .... and that the court would smack this down ... and its seems unless there is a successful appeal this is EMBARRASSING.

If this remains as is ... heads will roll.

Nor do I see the Supreme Court overruling this ...

CPS had to go in there investigate who made the complaint and deal w/ that complaint individually and w/ that family.... not penalize and harass an entire community ... no matter who they are ... what they look like ... or what they believe.

I understand that the reasoning behind the broad brush approach is that the state viewed the entire community as one household based on their holistic lifestyle ... this shows that we no longer value or even understand any holistic living in our egocentric society, IMO