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Old 05-21-2008, 07:10 PM
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LOL - did you give up?
Yes, I hate to admit it, but I did.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:16 PM
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Not trying to speak for Brother Griffin, but I took it to mean instead of being isolated from the world he is going in to influence the next generation and try to make changes within the system since he was a juvenile prosecutor. The division caused by Res. 4 kind of was his turning point.
Cindy, you are preceptive.

The attitudes behind Res 4 fallout was ONE of the catalysts which caused me to seriously question the role of the body of Christ while still here on earth. Even more narrowly the attitudes of the Apostolic church; separation from the world should not equate to isolation.

As stated Christ intended us to disciple the nations.

A great read for anyone interested would be Ed Silvoso - Transformation: Change the Marketplace and You Change the World.

Uganda may well be on its way to be the first nation ever (at least in modern times) where Christians actually hold sway in all public arenas and without being a theocracy.

I am unfortunately not normally a personally demonstrative person but I found myself speaking in tongues several times while reading that book, it is amazing what God has wrought in so many places just in the last couple years.

I do not subscribe to the Kingdom Now doctrine, but I have come to understand we are to do more than sit back, try to attract new people to our churches and hope for the best.

We should strive to be influential in every arena of influence. We are not responsible for the results God is, but we are responsible to try.

As God's body we have a mandate to address inequities in society and offer succor without succumbing to a social gospel. We have an mandate to evangelize and live holy without succumbing to isolation and ignoring the physical needs of our neighbor.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:19 PM
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Cindy, you are preceptive.

The attitudes behind Res 4 fallout was ONE of the catalysts which caused me to seriously question the role of the body of Christ while still here on earth. Even more narrowly the attitudes of the Apostolic church; separation from the world should not equate to isolation.

As stated Christ intended us to disciple the nations.

A great read for anyone interested would be Ed Silvoso - Transformation: Change the Marketplace and You Change the World.

Uganda may well be on its way to be the first nation ever (at least in modern times) where Christians actually hold sway in all public arenas and without being a theocracy.

I am unfortunately not normally a personally demonstrative person but I found myself speaking in tongues several times while reading that book, it amazing what God has wrought in so many places just in the last couple years.

I do not subscribe to the Kingdom Now doctrine, but I have come to understand we are to do more than sit back, try to attract new people to our churches and hope for the best.

We should strive to be influential in every arena of influence. We are not responsible for the results God is, but we are responsible to try.

As God's body we have a mandate to address inequities in society and offer succor without succumbing to a social gospel. We have an mandate to evangelize and live holy without succumbing to isolation and ignoring the physical needs of our neighbor.
Brother Griffin, this brought tears to my eyes and made me want to shout at the same time. I even got goose bumps. The CHURCH is out there, not inside 4 walls.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:21 PM
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Brother Griffin, this brought tears to my eyes and made me want to shout at the same time. I even got goose bumps. The CHURCH is out there, not inside 4 walls.
I am not saying we shouldn't go to church or our local assembly. We should and still go out there into the world and PROCLAIM the GOSPEL. If we live it, we can influence so many more than if we sit somewhere waiting for a preacher or a missionary to do it. We are all called to be participants.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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I admire your vision and selflessness. There's no greater cause than capturing the hearts of our children with the love of God. We will be praying for you in the days to come and that doors will be opened. Belly of the beast indeed and without a doubt the frontline in the battle of light and darkness. You are to be admired my friend.
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I wish you all the best with this James!
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I admire your vision and selflessness. There's no greater cause than capturing the hearts of our children with the love of God. We will be praying for you in the days to come and that doors will be opened. Belly of the beast indeed and without a doubt the frontline in the battle of light and darkness. You are to be admired my friend.
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2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV

He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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Re: Into the Belly of the Beast

Just read this thread- Br.Griffin- as a former elementary teacher and principal- 30 years- you are about to embark on the most frustrating and rewarding challenge of your career. I loved teaching -still do- and would go back to it in a minute if my circumstances changed. Teaching is a very powerful profession. It is also very exciting- never a dull moment- and sometimes you wish for some. Be ready for a very physically demanding job- many people do not realize it is one and lots of paper work. But being a lawyer you are used to that. While I taught, I prayed for my students daily. If you need anything, please email me- I would love to help you on your way. Buckle up you are in for a wild ride!!!!!!!! Praying for you. Are you applying through Teach for America?
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JG, The resolution... that is interesting. I was not aware you were UPC (or perhaps you are not?)

While I choose not to put my own children in the "belly" I am thankful you are willing to go. May God direct you.

It was the convergence of hundreds of thousands of "Pentecostals" at the Azusa Street Centennial Celebration that spurred my wife to come back home and tell me, "I believe God is calling us to something new".

She showed me a little bag of dirt and said, “I brought this home to remind us that the promise of the Holy Spirit is for this generation, and our God wants us to declare it boldly.”

Eight months later (the bag of dirt was still hanging in the kitchen) when the call came from RDF (the company that produces Wife Swap for ABC), my wife immediately mentioned the Azusa Street promise, and her feelings that God would do something with new boldness. You can read more here http://www.ninetyandnine.com/Archive...0723/cover.htm

If God has placed the thought in you to enter the "Belly of the Beast" there is no telling how he may use you! Bless you!
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Cindy, you are preceptive.

The attitudes behind Res 4 fallout was ONE of the catalysts which caused me to seriously question the role of the body of Christ while still here on earth. Even more narrowly the attitudes of the Apostolic church; separation from the world should not equate to isolation.

As stated Christ intended us to disciple the nations.

A great read for anyone interested would be Ed Silvoso - Transformation: Change the Marketplace and You Change the World.

Uganda may well be on its way to be the first nation ever (at least in modern times) where Christians actually hold sway in all public arenas and without being a theocracy.

I am unfortunately not normally a personally demonstrative person but I found myself speaking in tongues several times while reading that book, it is amazing what God has wrought in so many places just in the last couple years.

I do not subscribe to the Kingdom Now doctrine, but I have come to understand we are to do more than sit back, try to attract new people to our churches and hope for the best.

We should strive to be influential in every arena of influence. We are not responsible for the results God is, but we are responsible to try.

As God's body we have a mandate to address inequities in society and offer succor without succumbing to a social gospel. We have an mandate to evangelize and live holy without succumbing to isolation and ignoring the physical needs of our neighbor.
Jim, This is one reason I so admire Sis. Thetus Tenney. Despite the UPCI have 'issues' with her political involvement and the influence that she had in her world...she continued on. There is no where in the Bible God tells us to isolate ourselves and only mix with others of our faith and circumstance. Actually, christ modelled what he told us to do...go out into the highways and byways and COMPEL them to come in.

He said that if those invited to the wedding feast won't come to go to the streets and compel anyone who will...to come. The scriptures tell us to care for the widows and the orphans. The Bible tells us to love our neighbor as we love ourselves.

Teaching is the most infuential position any of us can have. What we impart into the life of a child is of eternal consequence. It is imperative that we train them up right; to honor God, parents, and the elderly. To forgive, love, and treat others as you want to be treated ...not the world's way of holding grudges, making others pay for perceived injustices, and separating yourself from all those who disagree with you.


This is a good thread...tells us where your heart is and helps us search to know where ours is also.

Blessings, Rhoni
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