Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening... - Page 39

ChristopherHall · #**381** 04-18-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

It is an interesting case for seeing how far the state should be allowed to dictate what is "normal" and "right." But since the criminal elements are clearly interwoven within the cultural elements, I think it would be hard for the state to simply pull "the criminals" and their "victims" out from the community without destroying the community.

And, when the state went in they were met with opposition that sought to confuse the already confusing parent-child relationships. How do you remove the "victim" and prosecute the "criminal" without a full accounting of who is bedding whom and what child was the result? It seems the state found such a tangled knot that they simply pulled out the whole ball of yarn.

There are clear genetic reasons for avoiding first cousins from marrying and for keeping uncles from marrying their related neices. The state ( you and me ) have an interest in this.

Good point. I pray they get this all worked out without compromising the case itself.

DanielR · #**382** 04-18-2008, 10:39 PM

After 381 post about this I think we have gotten to the point where we are

Michael Phelps · #**383** 04-18-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielR

After 381 post about this I think we have gotten to the point where we are

You obviously haven't been to the 1 steppers/3 stepper thread!

DanielR · #**384** 04-18-2008, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

You obviously haven't been to the 1 steppers/3 stepper thread!

Your right, I haven't been on that thread just because of that reason.

ChristopherHall · #**385** 04-19-2008, 01:29 AM

I was doing a little research on the internet and discovered that there are non-Mormon Evangelical Christian groups that believe in what they call "Biblical Polygamy" or "Patriarchal Christianity". I used to think it was primarily Mormons and Muslims.

OP_Carl · #**386** 04-19-2008, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 3rdxCharm

I have mixed feelings on this - Ideally I would like to see the children who haven't been abused or whose parents don't intend marrying them off before they are of age returned home but when they reach that "magic age" what kind of life is this for them? No true love, no having that one special person just for yourself, no soul mate. It's no better than being a wife with a husband who cheats right in front of you. How many of you (women) would be happy with that kind of life?

Today when the 3 women were asked (women twice, attorney once) how old the girls were when they were allowed to marry they stumbled around with their answer and never did answer. If the girls are not minors then why was it so hard to answer the question?

Mormons believe that a woman cannot enter heaven unless her husband calls her name. This marrying business is salvational in their theology.

OP_Carl · #**387** 04-19-2008, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I could use another 4 or 5... Lord willing...

Name it and claim it!

Keep Believing!

Oh and I suppose at some point you'll need to ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm explain a few things to your wife . . . .

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Kae · #**388** 04-19-2008, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I do believe that there is excessive fear and control going on here. However, these are grown women who are willingly submitting to this. There is a degree of personal responsibility here. If they wanted to leave they have to know that they could. They also have to know that they could file suit in court to regain their children. Yes, there is a degree of control, but personal responsibility has to be a factor. My grandmother said that the church I attended when I was first saved was void of love and functioned on cultic fear and control.

I don't doubt that some young women were abused. I believe the police need to take action in these cases. They have no reason to take children from parents who committed no crime. It' not a crime for consenting adults to choose whatever living arrangement they prefer. It's also not a crime to engage in communal living. Also it isn't a crime to share parenting responsibilities. We have to address those specific cases where a crime was committed...but we can't use this as justification to persecute an entire community just because we don't agree with their religion, parenting styles, chosen living arrangements, or think their ways are abnormal as compared to our own.

Some people are so excited over using government to police these people, I'm surprised they haven't even been accused of cannibalism yet.

Until you can understand the cult mentality that oppresses women I don't think you will get what I am trying to say. These women are born into this and know no other way of life. They are brainwashed into believing if they don't do whatever the men tell them to do they will go to hell. It isn't something that you can just rise above on a whim. Have you listened to the women speak? They sound very monotone and say the same thing. They are told what to say and if they don't face disciplinary measures. If they are told to lie that isn't wrong because the men know what is right. Their spirits are completely broken and they feel they have no hope.

Google Carolyn Jessup and read her story "Escape". I believe God had his hand on her, when you listen to her story she just made it out by the skin of her teeth. She isn't a bitter women, spouting lies either.

If it were just as simple as you make it sound, I wouldn't have a problem with it. These women have no choice at all in what happens to them. They are property.

AmazingGrace · #**389** 04-19-2008, 07:56 AM

Ok I dont know how much of this has been stated as I dont have enough strength today to even think about going back and reading.

Last night I watched a couple of news shows about this.. our local news and one other. They have pressed formal charges. They do have some forms of very outstanding evidence from what I understand... a lot of DNA evidence too.. a few of the mothers are really cooperating with the investigation now from the sounds of it and there is supposedly now enough evidence that if they choose not to (which they would be idiots to send them back) they wouldnt have to send these children back into that mess ever!

OP_Carl · #**390** 04-19-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kae

Until you can understand the cult mentality that oppresses women I don't think you will get what I am trying to say. These women are born into this and know no other way of life. They are brainwashed into believing if they don't do whatever the men tell them to do they will go to hell. It isn't something that you can just rise above on a whim. Have you listened to the women speak? They sound very monotone and say the same thing. They are told what to say and if they don't face disciplinary measures. If they are told to lie that isn't wrong because the men know what is right. Their spirits are completely broken and they feel they have no hope.

Google Carolyn Jessup and read her story "Escape". I believe God had his hand on her, when you listen to her story she just made it out by the skin of her teeth. She isn't a bitter women, spouting lies either.

If it were just as simple as you make it sound, I wouldn't have a problem with it. These women have no choice at all in what happens to them. They are property.

Just a question, and not necessarily directed at you, Kae. Your post is what made me to think of it.

14, 15, and 16-year old girls are heavily sexually active in America.

Do you suppose the CPS people involved in this case see any problem in 15-year-old girls having sex with teenage boys? Public schools encourage teen sex, or mildly discourage it and then hand the kids condoms with a wink.

Is the only problem here the age DIFFERENCE between the men and girls?