Did The Second Coming Happen In 70AD?

[Michael The Disciple]

Mike, you knew how I believed, you knew I was non dispensational post trib. Double check again. You disagreed on my view on Mystery Babylon. You also knew I was buds with the Cohen.

You got two out of three here Dom. We disagreed on Mystery Babylon. I thought (but was not sure) you were cruising Paltalk with Reckert. Pretty sure it was he who came in my room one night and listened for a good while to Apostolic doctrine.

When I started talking about the headcovering and beards he said I was with you until now.....you lost me.

As far as post trib "dispensation" I dont remember ever hearing that phrase until recently on this forum.

They believe like me.

Reckert?

Then if you believe that is still relevant for a group of people who call themselves Jews. Then you are not a believer in the True Israel of God. Because only can someone be part of the commonwealth of Israel through water baptism in Jesus name and the infilling of the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues. NO OTHER WAY.

Did I say a Jew is saved without being born again Acts 2:38? No.

I said EXACTLY what Paul said.

Romans 11:28

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

The unsaved Jews are enemies of the gospel. But concering the election (choosing) the Father loves them.

What do you mean you don't know? Remember I am that ecclesiastical moron? I am that one who needs you to light my way back to the fold? You see, this is what I don't understand about people like you. You shove it all the way down to the soles of my feet, and then when an important question is asked you don't know. Mike, you are an instructor of the blind a teacher of babes. I'm wrong and you are NOT!!!

Huh?

Air is breathable not the sky Mike. Want to know why Paul said air, because that is as far as they were going to be snatched. No up direction, because harpazo has no direction.

Is this supposed to be a special revelation of preterism? It seems like it would make little difference whether they were CAUGHT UP to meet the Lord IN THE AIR or they were simply translated where they are, if thats what you mean.

Nonetheless to be scriptural I confess I believe saints will be caught UP to meet the Lord in the air.

Heaven and earth passing away was the OLD AGE of the law system. That church age mess is dispensationalism not Bible.

Ok I confess I have never heard anyone say this until this past week. Feel free to explain how the Heaven and Earth are the law system? So the HEAVENS AND THE EARTH PASSED AWAY IN 70AD?

The Church age sounds reasonable and true to me.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by houston

Selling degrees

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ROFLOL thats one way to go about it. Everything's for sell!

[Michael The Disciple]

Dom


We are not good. I believe in a resurrection of the living, and I believe those who are alive and religious are dead.

I believe in the resurrection of the DEAD. It is a foundation doctrine of Christ.

Hebrews 6:1-2

1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Im trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you mean you believe like I do that salvation itself of a sinner is spiritually speaking a resurrection but there is yet a resurrection of dead persons?

But this seems to be part of the whole problem right? That at least some Prets believe Jesus resurrected the dead who died up till 70ad. They came alive and followed him into Heaven? So they would say PRESENTLY SPEAKING there will be no more resurrection of the dead?

That the resurrection has already passed?

Those are the ones that I go after, like you. Beards? Who cares about that? You do.

Agreed you go after me. Do I care if a man wears a beard or doesn't? No. If he doesnt want to I would be the last to judge him over it.

If he DOES want to and a Preacher says he is sinning or rebellious then THAT PREACHER is saying Jesus sinned and rebelled for as all the Preachers that teach this KNOW......that the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ had one.

You remember? The man who is the MEDIATOR between us and God?

They will one day be judged BY HIM.

My Lands!!! Are you that insane? Hoss, you made an entire thread to come after me? Mike, go win a soul in your neighborhood, do something with what's left of your life. 1974 to 1985? Those are your glory days? I'm the eschatological dimwit. and you are the chosen of the Lord to teach Post Trib to Fort Lauderdale housewives? You won't respond to me, so you dedicate a thread to me? Go home with that stuff, seriously, you are a sad old man.

I was simply telling you to answer your unceasing, never ending complaint why I dont answer the multitude of questions you always have. And when I answer a question by saying I DONT KNOW......then you hit harder than ever! It is what it is.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You remember? The man who is the MEDIATOR between us and God?

The Spotless Blood of that man stands as a mediator between us and God. Apparently in between 68 Ad and 96 Ad He was as He says in Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." At this point He's a 100 % Diety the Glorified image of the Invisible God, the Sonship has ceased, but the blood of the Son lives to make intercession and wash many white and lo, even unto the end of this age.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I believe in the resurrection of the DEAD. It is a foundation doctrine of Christ.

So do I.

Hebrews 6:1-2

1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Im trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you mean you believe like I do that salvation itself of a sinner is spiritually speaking a resurrection but there is yet a resurrection of dead persons?

Mike, look at my picture in my avatar? Do I look like one of the women you teach on Pal Talk? No, so stop trying to pull the Okey Doke, and explain WHY you believe that salvation is the death, burial, and resurrection of a soul. Last time I checked, the lion share of the Apostolic faith believed that. I do as well. Yet, with all your cuteness and desperately trying to avoid explaining how what you believe with chapter and verse over turns what I believe, you won't teach? Mike, are you ashamed or embarrassed? You created this thread just for you to teach me, but you refuse?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

But this seems to be part of the whole problem right? That at least some Prets believe Jesus resurrected the dead who died up till 70ad. They came alive and followed him into Heaven? So they would say PRESENTLY SPEAKING there will be no more resurrection of the dead?

What? NO MORE RESURRECTION means what Mike? You believe that everyone including Moses and Elijah are presently sleeping. Just that Moses and Elijah got out of bed one time to meet Jesus on the mount of transfiguration? Then went back to their soul sleep?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Agreed you go after me. Do I care if a man wears a beard or doesn't? No. If he doesnt want to I would be the last to judge him over it.

You don't care? Mike that is unbelievable. Why? Because you haven't started a thread about the subject because you don't care. You started a thread about the subject because you believe that the clean shaven Apostolics are hindering revival. Yet, you sit in your room tapping your computer keys and done zero for the kingdom of GOD in your own town. No Bible study, no church group being taught by you personally. You are a crazy old man trapped in religion.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If he DOES want to and a Preacher says he is sinning or rebellious then THAT PREACHER is saying Jesus sinned and rebelled for as all the Preachers that teach this KNOW......that the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ had one.

Wow, like Preterism you don't included the details. You just throw statements out there. Like the clean shaven group are morons and you are the benevolent Christian ready to set the captives free. in the UPCI for instance. The posted video of Elder Urshan, saying that there was NO VERSES to condemn beards, and then gave HIS OPINION. That wasn't enough for you, like the religiously frustrated individual you are, you kept trying to prove that the shaved and saved group were reprobates. No, the men who believe this give reasons for their opinions like Elder Urshan. Reasons Mike, unlike you. So do you care? yeah, you care. Do you want to start a church to spread your wisdom? NO. You are ecclesiastically lazy on that level. You would rather sit in the comfort of your own room and stab away. You posted that God hadn't call you to do that? so, MIKE did God call you to be on forums and palTalk looking for silly women to not listen to their husbands and pastors? But listen to you?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You remember? The man who is the MEDIATOR between us and God?

They will one day be judged BY HIM.

Well in your mind you have two of them, one you call YAH, and the other you call Yahshua. Which one Mike? You threaten me with judgement? While you sit on this forum with your fake Hebrew skills? YAH isn't His name, it is JESUS. You know you threatened me with judgement over 16 years ago, and Mike you are still a kooky religious guy with zero accountability.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I was simply telling you to answer your unceasing, never ending complaint why I dont answer the multitude of questions you always have. And when I answer a question by saying I DONT KNOW......then you hit harder than ever! It is what it is.

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Mike, just pointing out that you are just another religious hypocrite. Beards or no beards doesn't stop revival. telling a guy to shave (it happened to me when I came to church) didn't stop revival. Dealing with people who have no ecclesiastical street cred. Who talks a big game, claim they love souls while they call those in suits who are cleaned shaved devils. But they themselves who rail against the Aqua Velva crew just sit in their house on the Internet.

Doing nothing more than reaching into Church families to confuse. Mike, you posted to someone about their pastor not teaching eschatology, and therefore the poster got the idea you were coming against his pastor. Mike, if that poster left their church, where would they go? If I leave what I believe behind where do I go? What about my church family, the ones here and in Mexico, south America. Do we all go to you? Because after all you have a Xmas list of things you believe is needful to be in the "Biblical" faith. We all have read enough and watched enough of your beliefs over the years to know this. So, my question remains, where do we go? UPCI? You might slum around with them, but all you are is a spy. Because you sit there and critique the show, and then come back to the internet to report your findings. So, those guys won't work. But you haven't gotten your text message from God yet, so you won't start a church to teach all your information. So, where do we go?

Mike, your time is up.

You just don't realize it yet.

I'll come back later and see if you are willing to teach, preach, and exhort me to join your merry band.

I got to go to work.

Have fun.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

The Spotless Blood of that man stands as a mediator between us and God. Apparently in between 68 Ad and 96 Ad He was as He says in Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." At this point He's a 100 % Diety the Glorified image of the Invisible God, the Sonship has ceased, but the blood of the Son lives to make intercession and wash many white and lo, even unto the end of this age.

You teach differently than the apostles.

1 Tim. 2:5

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Heb. 10:12

11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

The key is to believe all....that is written. Not just part

[Michael The Disciple]

Yet, with all your cuteness and desperately trying to avoid explaining how what you believe with chapter and verse over turns what I believe, you won't teach? Mike, are you ashamed or embarrassed? You created this thread just for you to teach me, but you refuse?

Dom,

I presented 1 Thess 4:16-17 as a START of a Bible discussion. You could not even agree with the FIRST thing I said even tho I was only repeating what the Apostle said.

From that point on its been a waste of time to try to dialogue with you. Rather it's simply been a vindication that when I said the more I try to talk to you the more strife and personal attacks. You just cant stop yourself.

I was going to make a list of personal insults from you just on this one page but why should I bother?

So far you want to argue about "air". You have denied the resurrection of dead persons. You have said the heavens and the earth was the old covenant.

No wonder the UPCI has forbidden this doctrine to be taught by its Pastors.

Probably the most pitiful thing is you would not even vote for your own doctrine in the poll! I guess you would not want people to know up front what you believe.

So rave on Dom. I wont be leaving the forum. If you say something that is true I will amen you. Unless it is necessary I will avoid attempting discussion.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You teach differently than the apostles.

1 Tim. 2:5

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Heb. 10:12

11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

The key is to believe all....that is written. Not just part

In that way the blood of the man Christ Jesus stands as a mediator. I used the wrong verbage, the Sonship hasn't ceased but it has been fulfilled.

It's funny we talk about the book of Revelation and all these esoteric things in it. When the Book is called the Revealing or the unveiling of JESUS Christ. When in Chapter 1 we see that now He has become a 100% the Almighty. To read the book and miss out on what's being related in fulnesss in the 1st Chapter is to miss the whole purpose of the Book. And Paul may of taught that but, this is the last book chronologically of the New Testament at this point Jesus is declaring Himself as the Almighty. To this point this wasn't revealed to anyone. This is a brand new thing, so Paul and Apollo's aren't wrong (since you quotes the book of Hebrews), they were going off the fulnesss of what they had been revealed. John got the full revelation and that's what's written about here. So you have to see what is the mediator, the Blood of the man Christ Jesus it has been sprinkled upon the mercy seat forever standing as a mediator between God and man. Because He lives to make intercession for us as the Holy Ghost.

So at this point Jesus is making known the Sonship has been fulfilled. That's why He can say as in Revelation 21:7 "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." At this point we can see the fulfillment of Isaiah 9:6 He is now fully the "Everlasting Father" as HE was, in the very beginning. The image of the invisible God the reflection of the fulnesss of His glory once again!

In the words of Jesus *Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dom,

I presented 1 Thess 4:16-17 as a START of a Bible discussion. You could not even agree with the FIRST thing I said even tho I was only repeating what the Apostle said.

From that point on its been a waste of time to try to dialogue with you. Rather it's simply been a vindication that when I said the more I try to talk to you the more strife and personal attacks. You just cant stop yourself.

I was going to make a list of personal insults from you just on this one page but why should I bother?

So far you want to argue about "air". You have denied the resurrection of dead persons. You have said the heavens and the earth was the old covenant.

No wonder the UPCI has forbidden this doctrine to be taught by its Pastors.

Probably the most pitiful thing is you would not even vote for your own doctrine in the poll! I guess you would not want people to know up front what you believe.

So rave on Dom. I wont be leaving the forum. If you say something that is true I will amen you. Unless it is necessary I will avoid attempting discussion.

I’m raving? I won’t vote? Mike, first off I tried to point out to you that the polling only had two choices based solely on your bias of what you believe. Didn’t I?
The reason I brought up air is because it DOESNT mean heaven or sky. It is important point in discussing the verse. You then told me you don’t know anything about it, nor do you know why Paul failed to use the word for heaven or sky. You continually use the direction “up” when no direction is given in the original language or the Greek word meaning. Only in the English because the KJV translators wanted to present the suddenness of the Greek words meaning.
A list of insults? Mike, the beauty of passive aggression is that people like you relish that the appear Snow White while being the wicked witch. But, sadly that is religion. In short, you are moaning because all you know about your eschatology is two words POST and TRIB. No more no less. That is why you can honor occultist Charismatics who are Trinitarians just because they meet one or two points on your shopping list. Absolutely crazy how you will dispise on eschatology when you yourself can’t coherently teach anyone what you believe. Orange man bad. But ask why and you get the junk you been posting to me. You should trade places with Bill Marr. Seriously, air? You don’t have a clue why it was used, but I’m wrong. Resurrection? Mike, if someone says they believe in One Literal God and the God is YAH with his son Yahshua there’s a issue or not an issue. There is either two or one, or one is divine and the other is just a man prophet. You don’t teach about eschatology you talk about eschatology big difference Hoss, big difference.

[Michael The Disciple]

Chosen

So at this point Jesus is making known the Sonship has been fulfilled. That's why He can say as in Revelation 21:7 "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." At this point we can see the fulfillment of Isaiah 9:6 He is now fully the "Everlasting Father" as HE was, in the very beginning. The image of the invisible God the reflection of the fulnesss of His glory once again!

In the words of Jesus *Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"

I have been teaching Jesus is the Father for 39 years. So that I know. If you are saying that Jesus is no longer the Son but ONLY the Father beware.

You would be denying the doctrine of Christ.

1 John 2:22-24

22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

Or:

1 John 4:15

15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.