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Old 06-06-2007, 11:20 AM
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Thank you.

So we have no such Statues neither the Churches of God. Thus it is a statue.
Aren't those considered to be idols? I have never seen them in Apostolic churches, I have seen wall sized photos of the pastor and his wife, but never a graven image.
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Old 06-06-2007, 12:51 PM
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Totally agree.

Obedience always brings reward.

Disobedience brings spiritual separation and a loss of protection.
This as somewhat correct regarding spiritual separation but the loss of protection is a scary concept.

I suppose one who is responsible for establishing that to which the expected response is obedience (I didn't want to say "rules"), could pretty much expect anything he/she said, did, or even believed to result in an obedient response among those who call him/her their leader. Furthermore, this individual could also say that protection, blessing, etc. is a result of obeying his every whim, the consequences of disobedience of course is the loss of that protection.

How can we give someone that level of power in our lives??
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Old 06-06-2007, 01:04 PM
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This as somewhat correct regarding spiritual separation but the loss of protection is a scary concept.

I suppose one who is responsible for establishing that to which the expected response is obedience (I didn't want to say "rules"), could pretty much expect anything he/she said, did, or even believed to result in an obedient response among those who call him/her their leader. Furthermore, this individual could also say that protection, blessing, etc. is a result of obeying his every whim, the consequences of disobedience of course is the loss of that protection.

How can we give someone that level of power in our lives??
I don't believe that mere disobedience brings a loss of protection. If God is more of a Father than our earthly one, while He may chastise us for disobedience, I don't believe His protection is taken away anymore than we wouldn't protect our own children just because they are disobedient.
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Old 06-06-2007, 03:00 PM
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I don't believe that mere disobedience brings a loss of protection. If God is more of a Father than our earthly one, while He may chastise us for disobedience, I don't believe His protection is taken away anymore than we wouldn't protect our own children just because they are disobedient.
I agree, except when loss of protection would be a natural consequence of sin.
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Old 06-06-2007, 03:37 PM
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Aren't those considered to be idols? I have never seen them in Apostolic churches, I have seen wall sized photos of the pastor and his wife, but never a graven image.
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