You blind flag bashers.....

[Originalist]

...just do not get it. I know it's getting more in vogue in Christian circles to pretend that they don't agree with Rush, but he said something today I've known for years. Yet some of you on here are just too blasted blind to see it, and it will cost you someday......

This effort to have the battle flag of northern Virginia removed is really an attempt to segregate and isolate the entire South and to sort of Alinsky it. You know, the Rules for Radicals, you seek the target, you isolate it, you attack it, humiliate it. This flag represents what the left believes is the last remaining Republican electoral stronghold in terms of presidential politics, and that would be the South. So this is an effort going far beyond the Confederate flag or the battle flag of the army of northern Virginia.

This flag represents to the left a symbol of everything that's wrong with not just South Carolina, but North Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, you name it. And that's what the objective here really is. And that's why when Republicans make these efforts to appease, to please, and even if they think they're doing the right thing, it never is enough, and it's never genuine, and it's never accepted, or very rarely is it accepted. Very rarely do the Republicans seeking to gain political points with their opponents or their enemies actually pull that off by acceding to their demands.


So just keep a sharp eye on this because you'll see, even after the flag comes down, it's not gonna be the end of this. After the flag comes down, after the flag is removed, you're gonna continue to hear what it stands for, what it stood for, how rotten it is and how even though it's gone, you can bet they will report that Southerners all across this country in heart and in mind and even geographically will be displaying the flag in their homes and on their cars with bumper stickers and so forth. Just keep a sharp eye. 'Cause I'm telling you the flag is a symbol and it's symbol to the left, and it represents a far more wide reaching objective than just getting the flag removed from public view.


Okay. Look at me. I have a prediction. Look at me. I have a prediction. I just said it's not gonna stop with the Confederate flag because it's not about the Confederate flag. It is about destroying the South as a political force. It's about isolating, targeting, and identifying the South as Dylann Roof. Not Charleston, South Carolina, the South. That's what the leftists' effort on the Confederate flag are. Do not doubt me, folks.

And I'll make another prediction to you. The next flag that will come under assault, and it will not be long, is the American flag. Do not look at me that way. It makes perfect sense. If you take a look at the timeline of progressive events, their speed and rapidity with which the left is conducting this assault on all of these American traditions and institutions, if you don't think the American flag's in their crosshairs down the road, you had better stop and reconsider.

The American flag is what? It's the symbol of America. The left what? Doesn't like this country very much and never has and it's getting angrier and angrier about it seemingly every day. The American flag stands for the United States of America and, as such, everything that's wrong with it. And you wait. It isn't gonna be long before the American flag is gonna cause chills, fear, scary thoughts, it's gonna make me nervous, the American flag, when I see the American flag, it's a symbol of hate.

You wait, folks. You wait. And then what are the Republicans gonna do? We'll be the first among them to say yep, we need a redesign. Yep, we need to get into the twenty first. Just saying. I'm just saying. Hang in there, be tough.


Can you just hear it now? I can hear it now. "The United States flag has flown over slavery and symbolized racism, discrimination, bigotry, homophobia for hundreds of years; the Confederate flag flew only four years, and we're getting rid of the Confederate flag." Mark my words. Do you remember this, ladies and gentlemen, from July 20th, 2011, about four years ago? "Shock Study..." This is taken right from the pages of my website. "US Flag Only Boosts GOP." It's Paul Bedard writing.

"Just a brief exposure to an image of the American flag shifts voters, even Democrats, to Republican beliefs, attitudes and voting behavior even though most don't believe it will impact their politics, according to a new two-year study just published in the scholarly Psychological Science. What's more, according to three authors from the University Chicago, Cornell University and Hebrew University, the impact had staying power."

[Esaias]

If a bunch of antichrist communists* want us to do something, we probably ought not to do it.


*by "antichrist communists" I mean EXACTLY that. They are antichrists, and they are communists, literally, truly, and without an ounce of hyperbole.

[TJJJ]

Yep.

And so many are buying into the rhetoric because they can't see past their noses.

[Originalist]

Samuel Chase was a signer of the Declaration of Independence and later became a Supreme court Justice. Concerning the Declaration of Independence he said....

"It is a declaration, not that the united colonies jointly, in a collective capacity, were independent States, etc., but that EACH of them was a sovereign and independent State, that is, that each of them had a right to govern itself by its own authority, and its own laws without any control from any other power on earth"

This sovereignty was never relinquished by any of the States upon joining the Union. Believe me when I tell you, this concept of States being independent and free to chart their own destiny is what is making the politicians quake in their boots, not some symbolism.

[Liteweight47]

Never a big fan of southern heritage.... or my own for that matter. Somethings I had to put away when I realized that my culture had a lot of sin and ungodly things attached to it. When you Christ you start realizing all these arguments over heritage are silly. :-)

Anyway, I could care less about the flag. However, personally as much as I agree with some aspects of states rights, nobody has ever presented me a reasonable solution to the problem of slavery in the south without the union winning the war. Which is why many people may feel offended by the flag.

Personally I can't root for a "side" that had they "won", I'd probably be picking cotton or tobacco right now, or wouldn't have been able to worship with my white brothers and sisters in the UPC. So can anyone tell me how slavery would have ended in the south had the south prevailed?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Liteweight47

Never a big fan of southern heritage.... or my own for that matter. Somethings I had to put away when I realized that my culture had a lot of sin and ungodly things attached to it. When you Christ you start realizing all these arguments over heritage are silly. :-)

Anyway, I could care less about the flag. However, personally as much as I agree with some aspects of states rights, nobody has ever presented me a reasonable solution to the problem of slavery in the south without the union winning the war. Which is why many people may feel offended by the flag.

Personally I can't root for a "side" that had they "won", I'd probably be picking cotton or tobacco right now, or wouldn't have been able to worship with my white brothers and sisters in the UPC. So can anyone tell me how slavery would have ended in the south had the south prevailed?

Your concerns are legitimate and fair and anyone who says they are not is kidding themselves.

I'll try to answer. Slavery was about money more than white supremacist ideology. I see several things that would have ended slavery in a free South..

1) Trading partners-The South's Eurpoean trading partners were very abolitionists and would have eventually brought pressure to bear.

2) Automation- As society became more and more automated the need for slavery would have diminished.

3) No "Reconstruction Era"- Whites did not hate blacks in the South. There was friendship and camaraderie in many cases. Without the whites suffering disenfranchisement by a carpet bag regime, the racial animosity that followed the South's defeat never would have happened thus speeding up an open mindedness about emancipation. Heroics during the war by loyal blacks that were obscured by Reconstruction would have shined more brightly. Rewards would have followed with the influence of moderates like Jackson and Lee.

4) Natural progression- Every generation is a little bit more liberal than the last. Young southerners with a fondness for slaves that helped raise them would have taken the reigns of power eventually.

Admittedly full equality would have been a slow, yet steady process. But it would have been from the heart instead of by the pen.

[Praxeas]

Heritage

noun 1.something that comes or belongs to one by reason of birth; an inherited lot or portion: a heritage of poverty and suffering; a national heritage of honor, pride, and courage.


2.something reserved for one: the heritage of the righteous.

[Liteweight47]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Heritage

noun 1.something that comes or belongs to one by reason of birth; an inherited lot or portion: a heritage of poverty and suffering; a national heritage of honor, pride, and courage.


2.something reserved for one: the heritage of the righteous.

You know, there are some parts of my "heritage" that I put away when I came to Christ. Maybe it's time we all re-evaluate the idea of "heritage" and put aside some of our own personal views and ideas and political rhetoric in the Apostolic Movement and form one Apostolic heritage.............

............................ Nah.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Not a country flag. Not a state flag. But a confederate flag. Why are we spending so much energy on this. You think you KKKers uh southerns who want to defend the flag, would be tired from all the mental gymnastics. Of all the wonderful things about the south, you guys wanna use the confederate flag as a sign of your "heritage"? Especially given the "heritage'of south carolina. But hey, lets fly the state and country flag at half mast while the stars and bars fly high.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Not a country flag. Not a state flag. But a confederate flag. Why are we spending so much energy on this. You think you KKKers uh southerns who want to defend the flag, would be tired from all the mental gymnastics. Of all the wonderful things about the south, you guys wanna use the confederate flag as a sign of your "heritage"? Especially given the "heritage'of south carolina. But hey, lets fly the state and country flag at half mast while the stars and bars fly high.

All those "wonderful things about the South" you spoke of are why the left hates us.

As far as those mental gymnastics go, tell that to these fellas.....