Do All Speak With Tongues?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Falla39

At Pentecost the gift of the Holy Ghost was poured out for the first time. This was the birthday of the church.

In Corinthians we are looking at a church in Corinth. This is a church where Paul is setting in order the gifts of the Spirit. These people should have already received the Holy Ghost. You will never receive GIFTS of the Spirit UNTIL you have first received the GIVER of the the Spirit. Until you receive the Holy Ghost, and it will be evidenced by speaking with other tongues.

At Pentecost what were they saying in tongues that the onlookers heard? They heard them speaking in the onlookers own tongues the wonderful works of God.

Again, in Acts 2 those that the Holy Ghost was poured out on, spake with tongues for the first time. In Corinthians this is speaking to a church that has been started. Paul is teaching on the gifts of the Spirit that had already been poured out.

So many today get the Holy Spirit poured out in Acts 2, confused with the gifts of the Spirit, being explained to believers that are already filled with the Spirit.

Apollos was knowledgable in the scriptures, but knew only the baptism of John, the Baptist. The baptism of repentance. Priscilla and Aquila knew more and took Apollos aside and explained or expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. It is truly a good thing to have the way of God to be expounded to us more perfectly.

Falla39

I think you missed the point some were raising. First of all, the UPCI manual itself states that the "Acts 2:4" experience is the same experience that every believer needs - the "baptism of the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in other tongues."

Have you received the "Acts 2:4" experience? If not, then how could you participate in the 1 Corinthians 14:22-23, "gifts" or even presume to expound upon them "perfectly?" You will not have as yet "received the Giver."

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Says who? What Scriptures support the notion that the fruit of the Spirit take time? I've seen people who have never spoken in tongues bear the fruit of the $spirit. When you repent, a change occurs. I've seen people walk away from repentance who display love, joy, peace, etc immediately.

Making a comparison with natural fruit growing...it takes time. Sure there is joy and peace with repentance but fruit has to be produced on a consistent basis. It's not a fruit that is brought about by circumstances (I'm happy causeI won the lottery!) But a fruit that is abiding during good and bad times and is anchored in a consistent walk with Christ as we are led of the Spirit.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Was the experience in order to confirm what happened or was it to be a sign to unbelievers (I Cor 12)? It appears to me that it was to get unbelievers to ask the question: "What does this mean?"

Both. In Acts 10 tongues was a sign to Peter and the Jewish Christians.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

So you do admit God dwells in a believer before they ever speak in tongues?

No, the Spirit is with them but not IN them.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

No, the Spirit is with them but not IN them.

my bible says this

romans 8:14
King James Bible
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

also in galations 5:18
King James Bible
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

so the bible says that anyone who is lead by the Spirit is a child of God, that sorta goes against what you said

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by acerrak

my bible says this

romans 8:14
King James Bible
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

also in galations 5:18
King James Bible
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

so the bible says that anyone who is lead by the Spirit is a child of God, that sorta goes against what you said

Sad to say, not everyone is led by the Spirit! You must have the Spirit to be
led by the Spirit. The Word says that the LORD knows those that are His and
let/allow everyone that nameth the name of Christ, depart from iniquity/sin.
HE does not want anyone to perish, but to come to repentance.

Falla39

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Sad to say, not everyone is led by the Spirit! You must have the Spirit to be
led by the Spirit. The Word says that the LORD knows those that are His and
let/allow everyone that nameth the name of Christ, depart from iniquity/sin.
HE does not want anyone to perish, but to come to repentance.

Falla39

whats sad falla is you dont realize that no one can come to repentance unless God leads them to it.

and if they come to repentance they are lead by the spirit, and they are the child of God... why else would the bible say the angels rejoice over one soul repenting, but you never hear it for water baptism or speaking in tounges.

again you are either for God or against God, there is no in between. so according to oneness pentacostals until you speak in tonges doesnt matter how many times you come to church. or tithe or pray or give your self ove rin labour of the kingdom of God. You are the enemy of God cause you have not shown the evidence of the spirit by speaking in tounges.

dangerous doctrine didnt appear until 1830 and is not bible

God predistined He foreknew. If you repented your a child of God that is what romans says. you cant get around it. they where lead by the spirit to repentance.

[Amanah]

all people who are overflowing with the Spirit of God speak in tongues

out of their belly shall flow rivers of living water

the HG will fall on them as it did on the early church in the beginning

if we don't preach that people can/will receive the HG, then they won't

the point is not to emphasis speaking in tongues, or try to make people speak in tongues, but it is in the bible why not teach it

why not tell people they can receive the HG

why not tell them that if God wants them to speak in an unknown tongue, it's the HG, they can receive and respond

[Amanah]

I've seen thousands receive the HG and speak in tongues, it seems a common experience to me

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Amanah

all people who are overflowing with the Spirit of God speak in tongues not biblical In 1 Corinthians 12:30, Paul asks the hypothetical question "Do all speak in tongues?
out of their belly shall flow rivers of living water yes doesnt say tongues
the HG will fall on them as it did on the early church in the beginning (can one prove that every instance in the bible showed tounges if it was such a defining facter)

if we don't preach that people can/will receive the HG, then they won't ( we should preach that people will recieve the Spirit and all they need to do is repent and be baptized)

the point is not to emphasis speaking in tongues, or try to make people speak in tongues, but it is in the bible why not teach it (cause its bad hermenuetics and a doctrine that never exsisted until 1830)
why not tell people they can receive the HG (we can but why limit God to a specific sign of the Spirit to one manifestation or gift ?) when clearly thee is more than one

why not tell them that if God wants them to speak in an unknown tongue, it's the HG, they can receive and respond (sure its a gift and the bible says we need to seek after such gifts, however bad doctrine has made a gift the seal of approval for salvation)

The problem is we have people who were enemies against God, and once God changed them lead them to Christ, they repented their life was changed.

They now worship and praise that which they was a enemy of, but according to this doctrine until one speakes in tounges there is no salvation and there is no evidence of it.

a man can leave a fruitfall life for God showing much fruit but until he speaks in tonges according to oneness pentacostals this man is a enemy of God cause he has not recieved the Spirit.

For some reason we must have a visual and audible experience in order to make known the Spirit in us, or other wise people who have given it all to missions or aiding the growth and spread of the word was for nothing, they were still enemies of God

the fact is we tell men you can recieve the spirit and speak in tounges, and these people go down to the alter with that expectation, people i know who have fasted 3 days no food for it,

yet no tounges, why? the bible says you will recieve it? they keep coming back O Lord Fill Me with your spirit, there praying their crying, their shouting praises, 1/4 of the church is around them praying ......... but nothing

rinse repeat how many times? ... then finaly some one says well something must be wrong with you, you have sin holding back the Spirit of God.... pft

They wouldnt be in church if it wasnt for the Spirit of God.

The fact is the Spirit also fills to help speak the word boldly.
I mean if you heard some one pray in their sleep wouldnt you think they had the Spirit?

This bad hermenuetics.

Lets look at what Paul said to the Jailor

acts 16

29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31

They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.