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04-11-2011, 10:48 AM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
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Also loving the sinner and hating the sin is also can be incorrect statement. You cannot separate the sin from the sinner as the heart is what defiles. You can love what they can be but you do not love the person they are.
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Then Jesus should have just stayed in heaven and just said pfut....
blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy...should be ringing a bell by now,,While we were yet sinners Christ died for us..  
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Romans 5:8 KJV But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
It most certainly is true that God loves the sinner and hates the sin.
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04-11-2011, 11:43 AM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
This isn't about the "thought police", it's about workplace conduct. I'm glad she was fired. Sounds like she deserved it.
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04-11-2011, 12:19 PM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
It doesn't sound like it was a simple conversation where she was asked a question and felt that she had to give an honest answer--albeit politely.
If she was yelling or screaming at a fellow employee, that alone is abusive behavior--it doesn't matter what the content was. That fact that she was attacking someone verbally because of their lifestyle makes it worse, and the fact that she was attacking someone verbally while trying to portray herself as a Christian makes it awful.
Whether this is okay based on "religious freedom" is beside the point for me. I really don't know how that applies to this situation. However, it definitely doesn't sound like she was acting Christlike.
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04-11-2011, 12:20 PM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
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This isn't about the "thought police", it's about workplace conduct. I'm glad she was fired. Sounds like she deserved it.
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And she is no doubt feeling "persecuted for His name" even as we speak.
I wonder if she has had the same sort of argument with other women over cutting their hair?
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04-11-2011, 12:34 PM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
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I thinki it was the way in which she presented her opinion....I dont think this was a witch hunt.
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So if she nicely told the lesbian "Yes you are going to hell"? The Lesbian would not of minded? Im just not sure we can know the Lesbian portrayed this other woman the best light possible
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-11-2011, 12:35 PM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
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You don't have any rights to free expression while someone else is paying you. They have the right to regulate your speech.
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Just like being in the Military. Personally though I don't think we should lose some of our freedoms just because we are being paid to work for someone.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-11-2011, 12:37 PM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
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Originally Posted by LUKE2447
Barn you are correct. I believe the employer has the right to determine work place social enviroment. IMO for the most part the GOV should stay of it. Of couse the courts have to hear a case but regulation IMO has been overboard.
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I think it's one thing for a woman to volunteer her views to someone else unsolicited...
But in this case this was a group discussion and possibly she was asked for her opinion. IF it was a group discussion on the bible and being gay then they opened the door to her opinion too
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-11-2011, 01:59 PM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
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So if she nicely told the lesbian "Yes you are going to hell"? The Lesbian would not of minded? Im just not sure we can know the Lesbian portrayed this other woman the best light possible
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If you read the court opinion you will see that it was actually someone other then the lesbian that complained about her, it also said she acknowledged that
"none of the other employees involved in the conversation commented about 'someone’s individual status, homosexuality or race,'"
In other words she was discussing it in the abstract she made it personal.
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04-11-2011, 02:02 PM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
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Just like being in the Military. Personally though I don't think we should lose some of our freedoms just because we are being paid to work for someone.
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Your not losing your freedom, in the workplace you represent the company you work for and they are responsible for your actions therefore they get to dictate your actions and statements.
Not really to hard to understand, she is in a very real sense an agent of Wal-Mart and when she is acting in that capacity they get to determine her conduct. Outside of work hours she is free to join with pastor Phelps and Westboro friends.
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04-11-2011, 02:03 PM
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Re: "Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart.
If I was drawn into the conversation I'd explain how I believe that every human being needs Christ, yes, even homosexuals. We're all human and are guilty of deplorable sin in God's eyes.
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