Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I wouldn't take a forum that personal, there are all kinds here. Just present what you believe. If truth, some will accept it and some won't. I try not to get personal even when someone else does. Some on both sides have issues with it.

Look, I understand all that. I've been told this several times and I get it. I'm just simply saying that when I come on here and stand strongly for Acts 2:38 and separation form the world, the mockers seems to come out of the woodwork to laugh, mock, call me a baby, crazy old man, a believer in fairy tales, etc. I find that very disappointing in a place that presents itself as apostolic. I'm just saying, a lot of people here are disappointed the so-called Cons have left. It's really simple why they did. Some of us would like to discuss our values without being made fun of, that's all.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

So can I ask a couple of questions: Do you believe that tongues is the only initial evidence? I understand there are other evidences of a person's infilling of the Holy Ghost, but I see only one initial evidence.

I'll give that a hesitant yes. Hesitant because I dislike the process in which we feel we must assess new converts and make sure they are speaking in a "fluent" tongue before we approve of their infilling. Hesitant because if someone said they had been filled with the Holy Ghost but hadn't spoken in tongues, I wouldn't contradict them. I feel like people seek after *tongues* more than they seek after God. Or at least, they're encouraged to do so by Apostolics who are after the sign instead of the infilling. Does that make sense? It's not so much what I believe on this point personally; it's more that I don't feel I have the right to really question other people's experiences with God.

Secondly, what part of number 4 do you not agree with?

I think we should dress modestly and I believe women should have long hair and men should have short hair. I don't believe that long=uncut, and I think short sleeves and shorts are fine, as long as they're longish and loose (modest). I've seen men in tight jeans who were way more immodest than a man in loose, knee-length shorts. It doesn't makes sense to me that it's fine for a woman to show the bottom portion of her legs but somehow immodest for a man. Make-up--modest/moderate application is fine. We let our daughters cover up their zits and wear lip gloss. Our rule is "no unnatural colors" and I don't let them wear it around the house because it's bad for your skin to wear it all the time. I also don't think it's a sin for women to wear "bifurcated garments." There are some activities that are completely immodest in a skirt. You either have to avoid the activity or wear the appropriate clothing.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Look, I understand all that. I've been told this several times and I get it. I'm just simply saying that when I come on here and stand strongly for Acts 2:38 and separation form the world, the mockers seems to come out of the woodwork to laugh, mock, call me a baby, crazy old man, a believer in fairy tales, etc. I find that very disappointing in a place that presents itself as apostolic. I'm just saying, a lot of people here are disappointed the so-called Cons have left. It's really simple why they did. Some of us would like to discuss our values without being made fun of, that's all.

I understand, but it's not going to happen. The faith only need not to obey grace only folks will jump on it like white on rice. On the flip side, can the "libs" go to the "con" forum discussing things without samelike response? I doubt it. It's a fallen human nature thing.

I've discussed my stance on pagan christmass, AI is worldly, santa is idolatry etc... that can bring a heated responses, but I just try to stay on topic without responding to the jabs. TRY that is.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I believe it's God will for all to repent,and be baptized in Jesus name and to receive The Baptism of The Holy Ghost with the physical sign of speaking in tongues. I have been baptized in The Name Of Jesus Christ,and that is the only way I baptize anyone.
I believe Christians should be in modest in their dress both men and women.
The principle of Holiness is a lifestyle of Christians.
God is a just judge and He judges justly.
Spirit Filled Christians should manifest the fruit of The Spirit.
Old paths 2 I respect you and your convictions.

I try to treat everybody with kindness and respect and dignity even I feel there are wrong,and alot of stuff here on AFF I strongly disagree with.
I might add I firmly believe in The Oneness of God,I can never except the Trinity doctrine as biblical.For my bible says One Lord,One Faith,One Baptism.

I type this in kindness with a smile on my face.

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I'll give that a hesitant yes. Hesitant because I dislike the process in which we feel we must assess new converts and make sure they are speaking in a "fluent" tongue before we approve of their infilling. Hesitant because if someone said they had been filled with the Holy Ghost but hadn't spoken in tongues, I wouldn't contradict them. I feel like people seek after *tongues* more than they seek after God. Or at least, they're encouraged to do so by Apostolics who are after the sign instead of the infilling. Does that make sense? It's not so much what I believe on this point personally; it's more that I don't feel I have the right to really question other people's experiences with God.



I think we should dress modestly and I believe women should have long hair and men should have short hair. I don't believe that long=uncut, and I think short sleeves and shorts are fine, as long as they're longish and loose (modest). I've seen men in tight jeans who were way more immodest than a man in loose, knee-length shorts. It doesn't makes sense to me that it's fine for a woman to show the bottom portion of her legs but somehow immodest for a man. Make-up--modest/moderate application is fine. We let our daughters cover up their zits and wear lip gloss. Our rule is "no unnatural colors" and I don't let them wear it around the house because it's bad for your skin to wear it all the time. I also don't think it's a sin for women to wear "bifurcated garments." There are some activities that are completely immodest in a skirt. You either have to avoid the activity or wear the appropriate clothing.

I'm sure I'll get yelled at for saying this, but this seems to be how the slide begins. It eventually ends up in an abandoning of the values of our heritage. I've really appreciated your stance on various things since I've been here and I would hope the influence of the liberal culture of AFF and other surroundings won't cause you to compromise further.

Why lip gloss? What is the purpose but to make one more appealing to those with improper intentions? And why cover "zits"? If someone has a pimple they have a pimple. So what? Does pride take over and make us hide?

And if an activity is indecent in a skirt, do something else. That's the apostolic heritage I'm talking about. There once was a generation that didn't care what it cost to follow Jesus. I want to see that happen again!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I'm sure I'll get yelled at for saying this, but this seems to be how the slide begins. It eventually ends up in an abandoning of the values of our heritage. I've really appreciated your stance on various things since I've been here and I would hope the influence of the liberal culture of AFF and other surroundings won't cause you to compromise further.

Why lip gloss? What is the purpose but to make one more appealing to those with improper intentions? And why cover "zits"? If someone has a pimple they have a pimple. So what? Does pride take over and make us hide?

And if an activity is indecent in a skirt, do something else. That's the apostolic heritage I'm talking about. There once was a generation that didn't care what it cost to follow Jesus. I want to see that happen again!

I'm goina yell at you!!!! But seriously, people are complicated creatures. So why do you try to examine the motives behind every little thing they do and why do you always think their motives must be because of some evil desire instead of something innocent or maybe even GOOD?

If following Jesus to you is about not wearing lip gloss and only wearing skirts live your life that way!!! But as far me I don't see any relation between those two things and following Jesus! One relation I do see to following Jesus is this: whether someone would give their life for their belief in Jesus. I think many of the people you go around condemning because they must have some hidden evil motive for not abiding by your standards would gladly give their lives for Jesus. It's those kinda people that truly don't care what it costs to follow Jesus.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I'm sure I'll get yelled at for saying this, but this seems to be how the slide begins. It eventually ends up in an abandoning of the values of our heritage. I've really appreciated your stance on various things since I've been here and I would hope the influence of the liberal culture of AFF and other surroundings won't cause you to compromise further.

Why lip gloss? What is the purpose but to make one more appealing to those with improper intentions? And why cover "zits"? If someone has a pimple they have a pimple. So what? Does pride take over and make us hide?

The main purpose of lip gloss, chapstick, carmex, etc. is to keep yourself from having chapped lips, although it obviously makes your lips look nicer, too. My husband uses Blistex--it doesn't make his lips "more appealing", except that when I want to kiss him, I'm not kissing dry, chapped, cracked lips. I'm not sure how having pretty lips makes you more appealing to people with "improper intentions" anymore than having shiny hair that is arranged in some kind of pretty hairdo.

As for makeup--I just don't see that as a big deal. Teenagers have problematic skin and it's usually temporary. I see no reason to have them suffer embarrassment because of a few zits. I don't want to see bright red lips or blue eyelids, but I have no problem with light makeup. It does annoy me that in our culture women need to look perfect while men can be their "natural" selves and be seen as attractive. Nevertheless, it is what it is, and most women feel the pressure. (Me included.)

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

And if an activity is indecent in a skirt, do something else....

I agree with you on this one. If a person believes that they can't wear pants or gauchos/culottes, there are simply some activities that should be avoided for the sake of modesty. My personal rules of thumb regarding clothing is:

1. It must be modest.
2. It should be appropriate for the activity or occasion.
3. It should be feminine.

[faithit166]

about a year ago i found myself going back in forth witnessing to others about the apostolic faith, til one day the lord said to me its right dead in their face and they cannot see it,i am the only one who can reveal it unto them, we come on this site expressing our beliefs, trying to convince others over and over again,when the truith of the matter is if god himself does not reveal it they arent gonna see it i think there are times we tie gods hands,when what we need to be doing is praying for them and maybe even move on maybe im speaking to myself huh god bless

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by faithit166

about a year ago i found myself going back in forth witnessing to others about the apostolic faith, til one day the lord said to me its right dead in their face and they cannot see it,i am the only one who can reveal it unto them, we come on this site expressing our beliefs, trying to convince others over and over again,when the truith of the matter is if god himself does not reveal it they arent gonna see it i think there are times we tie gods hands,when what we need to be doing is praying for them and maybe even move on maybe im speaking to myself huh god bless

How do you know the Lord said this?

[faithit166]

because said my sheep hear my voice and another they will not follow i have walked with the lord for quite some time now and know when he has spoken