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01-17-2011, 12:53 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Hold your breath?
Inflate a one mile in diameter whoopie cushion?
(there is an experimental car that is powered on highly compressed air.)
If you don't mind, I wiill improve your question. How do you store energy from wind generated electricity. The electricity is A/C and doesn't go into batteries. For it to charge a battery and be stored, it must be converted to direct current. That means a 20% energy loss in conversion. A/C power can't be stored. Electric power loss is great by reason of electrical resistance in powere lines. Like 15% power loss for every 60 miles.
You can't make electric in Kansas and send it to New York.
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it probably goes directly into the grid so power plants can lighten their load
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01-17-2011, 07:15 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Electric cars?
One bit of wisdom from"old age"......don't purchase anything the first year (or two!  )
Once it has been on the road a few years......maybe 
In the midwest I don't think there will be enough charging centers to get you out of town. |
Well, yeah, that's why I am still waiting. 
I'm not going to depend upon an electric car for traveling long distances. My daily commute of 36 miles to work and back is well within the range of an electric vehicle.
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01-17-2011, 07:32 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Well, yeah, that's why I am still waiting.
I'm not going to depend upon an electric car for traveling long distances. My daily commute of 36 miles to work and back is well within the range of an electric vehicle. |
I am waiting till they weigh a few thousand pounds instead of a few hundred lbs...
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01-17-2011, 07:56 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
I've read that the Leaf and the Volt are supposed to weigh around 3,500 pounds.
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01-17-2011, 08:04 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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I've read that the Leaf and the Volt are supposed to weigh around 3,500 pounds.
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Wow... that's a heavy leaf. I'd hate to see the tree.
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01-17-2011, 08:49 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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I've read that the Leaf and the Volt are supposed to weigh around 3,500 pounds.
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And half of that is toxic battery acid?
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01-17-2011, 09:01 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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And half of that is toxic battery acid? |
Huh, no.
If the pack were lead acid, which I am pretty sure it isn't, the majority of the weight would be in the lead, not the acid. And the acid isn't that toxic, I've gotten it on me when I converted a car to a pure electirc vehicle back in the early 2000s. Just ruined a sweat shirt is all that happened.
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01-17-2011, 09:48 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Huh, no.
If the pack were lead acid, which I am pretty sure it isn't, the majority of the weight would be in the lead, not the acid. And the acid isn't that toxic, I've gotten it on me when I converted a car to a pure electirc vehicle back in the early 2000s. Just ruined a sweat shirt is all that happened.
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Does insurance coverage cover becoming an albino?
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01-17-2011, 09:54 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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Well, yeah, that's why I am still waiting.
I'm not going to depend upon an electric car for traveling long distances. My daily commute of 36 miles to work and back is well within the range of an electric vehicle. |
The chinese models are built without heater defroster or a/c. All of them greatly reduce driving range. Drive 36 miles and charge for a couple hours actually doubles and triples trip travel time.
Golf carts are wiped out after 18 holes use. They charge over night.They may go 2 rounds.
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01-17-2011, 10:06 AM
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Re: Electric Cars and the Environment?
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The chinese models are built without heater defroster or a/c. All of them greatly reduce driving range. Drive 36 miles and charge for a couple hours actually doubles and triples trip travel time.
Golf carts are wiped out after 18 holes use. They charge over night.They may go 2 rounds.
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Coadie, you know what's funny? Electric cars used to be the norm and acceptable early in the last century. When the new-fangled gasoline car came along, it had acceptance problems becasuse it was noisy, broke down a lot, made a lot of noise, etc.
And yet look at where we are today. We overcame those problems, just like we will with any technology such as battery technology.
BTW, you talking about lead acid batteries which have a very poor energy denisity. You may want to read up on other battery technologies. The Nissan Leaf battery is said to have a range around 100 miles per charge. More than adequate for a lot of daily commuters.
Last edited by Azzan; 01-17-2011 at 10:13 AM.
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