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03-06-2007, 06:51 AM
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When the Pharisees Accused Jesus of Being used by the Devil...
Anybody recall that passage of Scripture?
You might be careful pronouncing folks "of the devil."
If by chance you were wrong about them...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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03-06-2007, 06:54 AM
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Holy Unto The Lord
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If someone says a lie, a lie is of the devil. If someone preaches false doctrine, that is of the devil. Those who are of a bad spirit, and are not saved are of the devil. But, they can get saved, can repent, and be of God.
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03-06-2007, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Brother Price
If someone says a lie, a lie is of the devil. If someone preaches false doctrine, that is of the devil. Those who are of a bad spirit, and are not saved are of the devil. But, they can get saved, can repent, and be of God.
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So, if a person lies, it isn't because he chose to lie but because the devil made him do it? Since Jesus said "there is none good but God," how can any unsaved person have a "good" spirit? Are we humans not born with a sinful nature and with a heart (seat of emotions, core of one's being) that is "deceitful" above all things "and desperately wicked"?
When are we going to stop removing from humans their responsibility for their own words, actions, attitudes, and beliefs? When are we going to stop placing the blame anywhere except in the wickedness of our own nature?
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03-06-2007, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Chan
So, if a person lies, it isn't because he chose to lie but because the devil made him do it? Since Jesus said "there is none good but God," how can any unsaved person have a "good" spirit? Are we humans not born with a sinful nature and with a heart (seat of emotions, core of one's being) that is "deceitful" above all things "and desperately wicked"?
When are we going to stop removing from humans their responsibility for their own words, actions, attitudes, and beliefs? When are we going to stop placing the blame anywhere except in the wickedness of our own nature?
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Chan ... I could not agree more. It's time we are held accountable.
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03-06-2007, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Chan
So, if a person lies, it isn't because he chose to lie but because the devil made him do it? Since Jesus said "there is none good but God," how can any unsaved person have a "good" spirit? Are we humans not born with a sinful nature and with a heart (seat of emotions, core of one's being) that is "deceitful" above all things "and desperately wicked"?
When are we going to stop removing from humans their responsibility for their own words, actions, attitudes, and beliefs? When are we going to stop placing the blame anywhere except in the wickedness of our own nature?
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It is my belief that folk give the devil far more credit for things than he deserves. Most of our problems stem from our own stinking flesh.
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03-06-2007, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Annie
It is my belief that folk give the devil far more credit for things than he deserves. Most of our problems stem from our own stinking flesh.
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Malarkey!!
You are bringing secular humanism into the discussion. It's not always JUST our flesh. There IS a devil, and he and his minions work overtime to stir up our flesh against each other.
Don't deny his existence, and don't minimize his evil. He still tries very hard to use people to his advantage.
Are we really so blind? 
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03-06-2007, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Malarkey!!
You are bringing secular humanism into the discussion. It's not always JUST our flesh. There IS a devil, and he and his minions work overtime to stir up our flesh against each other.
Don't deny his existence, and don't minimize his evil. He still tries very hard to use people to his advantage.
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Satan can't force us to sin; ultimately we choose sin. Of course there is a devil! There's also a hell! But I hate the cop-out that so many people have chosen that says "I'm not responsible for the sin I committed because it was the devil's fault!"
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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03-06-2007, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Malarkey!!
You are bringing secular humanism into the discussion. It's not always JUST our flesh. There IS a devil, and he and his minions work overtime to stir up our flesh against each other.
Don't deny his existence, and don't minimize his evil. He still tries very hard to use people to his advantage.
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Sir...you need to calm down- you are going into stroke range. I never said there was NO DEVIL. I never said it was ALWAYS just our flesh...I absolutely believe in satan, I see him at work, trying to cause grief and division on this forum 24/7.
God bless.
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03-06-2007, 10:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chan
So, if a person lies, it isn't because he chose to lie but because the devil made him do it? Since Jesus said "there is none good but God," how can any unsaved person have a "good" spirit? Are we humans not born with a sinful nature and with a heart (seat of emotions, core of one's being) that is "deceitful" above all things "and desperately wicked"?
When are we going to stop removing from humans their responsibility for their own words, actions, attitudes, and beliefs? When are we going to stop placing the blame anywhere except in the wickedness of our own nature?
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Sin is a human condition. It always amazes me when people blame the devil for everything. The devil may tempt us, but ultimately we choose sin of our own accord.
Sometimes I think its easier for folks to blame the devil than to take responsibility for their own actions. e.g., "The Devil made me do it!"
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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03-06-2007, 01:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chan
So, if a person lies, it isn't because he chose to lie but because the devil made him do it? Since Jesus said "there is none good but God," how can any unsaved person have a "good" spirit? Are we humans not born with a sinful nature and with a heart (seat of emotions, core of one's being) that is "deceitful" above all things "and desperately wicked"?
When are we going to stop removing from humans their responsibility for their own words, actions, attitudes, and beliefs? When are we going to stop placing the blame anywhere except in the wickedness of our own nature?
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Notice anyone missing here, Chan? 
The devil doesn't make us do anything, but he sure likes to help us along the pathway to poor decisions, Bubba.
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