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09-01-2007, 04:56 PM
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What is a Happening Church to you? What is a Dead church?
What is a happening church? Programs programs programs? Great music? A built in cafe? People coming to believe in Jesus, repenting, being baptized and being filled with the Holy Ghost? The gifts operating?
For what it's worth, I have had "happening church" in a prayer meeting or in a bible study. Dead to me is nobody is worshiping, nobody prays, nobody new ever comes to church, nobody is getting saved and the Spirit just is not moving. I don't consider a Joel Osteen experience happening
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-01-2007, 05:10 PM
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Philippians 4
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
What is a happening church? Programs programs programs? Great music? A built in cafe? People coming to believe in Jesus, repenting, being baptized and being filled with the Holy Ghost? The gifts operating?
For what it's worth, I have had "happening church" in a prayer meeting or in a bible study. Dead to me is nobody is worshiping, nobody prays, nobody new ever comes to church, nobody is getting saved and the Spirit just is not moving. I don't consider a Joel Osteen experience happening
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Wow! lets totally disect my thread, huh?
Dead to me is when I go to church, and don't leave filled. Where worship is stale, and preaching is empty.
Happening, is a church on fire for God. Where worship is deep and preaching is edifying.
Its not about programs although they help.
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09-01-2007, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Darcie
Wow! lets totally disect my thread, huh?
Dead to me is when I go to church, and don't leave filled. Where worship is stale, and preaching is empty.
Happening, is a church on fire for God. Where worship is deep and preaching is edifying.
Its not about programs although they help.
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The most dynamic, entertaining, riveting oratory is empty if it doesn't tell people God's only plan of salvation.
Trinitarian churches don't ever preach that message.
their preaching is therefore as empty as it can get, no matter how entertaining it might be, or how much good information there is on anger management, coping skills, reationship advice, stress relief, or whatever hot topic the Osteens of the world are pontificating about.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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09-01-2007, 05:26 PM
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Philippians 4
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Originally Posted by Amos
The most dynamic, entertaining, riveting oratory is empty if it doesn't tell people God's only plan of salvation.
Trinitarian churches don't ever preach that message.
their preaching is therefore as empty as it can get, no matter how entertaining it might be, or how much good information there is on anger management, coping skills, reationship advice, stress relief, or whatever hot topic the Osteens of the world are pontificating about.
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Why are we mentioning the Olsteens?!??!?!?
As much as I believe Acts 2:38, it can't be the only thing preached service after service, and standards on our weekday services
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09-01-2007, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Darcie
Why are we mentioning the Olsteens?!??!?!?
As much as I believe Acts 2:38, it can't be the only thing preached service after service, and standards on our weekday services |
Yes, but sister, in trinity churches it is NEVER preached.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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09-01-2007, 05:36 PM
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Philippians 4
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Originally Posted by Amos
Yes, but sister, in trinity churches it is NEVER preached.
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Agreed, however this thread is about the difference between a dead and a happening church, we are not talking about trinnies, that would be my previous thread.
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09-01-2007, 05:27 PM
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Philippians 4
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Originally Posted by Amos
The most dynamic, entertaining, riveting oratory is empty if it doesn't tell people God's only plan of salvation.
Trinitarian churches don't ever preach that message.
their preaching is therefore as empty as it can get, no matter how entertaining it might be, or how much good information there is on anger management, coping skills, reationship advice, stress relief, or whatever hot topic the Osteens of the world are pontificating about.
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We need that if we are going to survive the REAL WORLD
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09-01-2007, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Darcie
We need that if we are going to survive the REAL WORLD
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True enough...but you can have all those things in spades and still go to hell.
If they aren't preaching the only saving message, the rest is jut fluff.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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09-01-2007, 06:24 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Darcie
We need that if we are going to survive the REAL WORLD
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Yes but HOW do we do it? How did the first church, which dealt with Jewish and Roman persecution and death cope? Do we need to incorporate non-bible psychology?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-01-2007, 06:28 PM
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Philippians 4
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Yes but HOW do we do it? How did the first church, which dealt with Jewish and Roman persecution and death cope? Do we need to incorporate non-bible psychology?
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Again, like I stated before, we can't survive on Acts 2:38 and standards. Paul's messages were more than that... that was the point I was trying to make.
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