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Old 02-26-2007, 07:53 PM
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Identifying the Spirit of the Age

1. Ephesus – The desirable church that left its first love (Revelation 2:1-7). Ephesus was the influential capital city of Asia Minor on the Aegean Sea. Ephesus is now known for its huge metropolis of ancient streets, arches and ruins.
2. Smyrna – The persecuted church that suffered poverty and martyrdom (Revelation 2:8-11). Smyrna was located north of Ephesus in a powerful trading position on the Aegean Sea known for its harbors, commerce, and marketplaces. The primary ruins of Smyrna are located in the modern Turkish city of Izmir.
3. Pergamum – The worldly church that mixed doctrines and needed to repent (Rev. 2:12-17). Pergamum is located on the plains and foothills along the Caicus River in Western Turkey. It was considered a major city in Asia Minor since the 3rd century BC, and became a Greek and Roman hub for temple worship.
4. Thyatira – The false church that followed a seductive prophetess (Rev. 2:18-29). Thyatira is located in western Asia Minor about 42 miles inland from the Aegean Sea. The ancient city was known for its textiles and dyeing trade, and is now known as the Turkish city of Akhisar.
5. Sardis – The "dead" church that fell asleep (Revelation 3:1-6). Sardis is located on the banks of the Pactolus River in western Asia Minor, 60 miles inland from Ephesus and Smyrna. Popular ruins include the decadent temples and bath house complexes.
6. Philadelphia – The church of brotherly love that endures patiently (Revelation 3:7-13). Philadelphia is located on the Cogamis River in western Asia Minor, about 80 miles east of Smyrna. Philadelphia was known for its variety of temples and worship centers.
7. Laodicea – The "lukewarm" church with a faith that’s neither hot nor cold (Rev. 3:14-22). Laodicea is located in the Lycus River Valley of western Asia Minor, a primary trade route between the cultures of the West and East. Laodicea was known as a primary hub for the Roman aqueduct system.
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Which of these churches is most representative of the current Apostolic church?
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:03 AM
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Which of these churches is most representative of the current Apostolic church?

sardis and laodicea


lao comes from the word " laity" which means " laity rules".
that;s the day were living in. can't say anything or people
are offended and ready to pack their bags
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:19 AM
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sardis and laodicea


lao comes from the word " laity" which means " laity rules".
that;s the day were living in. can't say anything or people
are offended and ready to pack their bags

Good point.

Amazing that when the laity rules, the church ends up lukewarm.
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:25 AM
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My pastor (G.D. Thompson) used to teach that Laodicea, layity rules, didn't mean that the laity would rule the pulpit by telling the pastor what to preach and what not to preach, but that they would rule by simply ignoring what was preached. So they ruled not by vote or mandate, but in their response, or lack thereof to the preached word.

Still makes a lot of sense to me.
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:30 AM
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My pastor (G.D. Thompson) used to teach that Laodicea, layity rules, didn't mean that the laity would rule the pulpit by telling the pastor what to preach and what not to preach, but that they would rule by simply ignoring what was preached. So they ruled not by vote or mandate, but in their response, or lack thereof to the preached word.

Still makes a lot of sense to me.
I have never thought of it that way, but it may make sense when you consider the letter was written to their pastor. Apparently, there was some
ministerial leadership there.
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:31 AM
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Good point.

Amazing that when the laity rules, the church ends up lukewarm.

seems everything in life is a balance though don't you think ?

IF a man is given too much power they often abuse it and the people & the church suffers. but if the people rule, it's as you say, the church ends up lukewarm.

I've seen churches with no boards, no trustees, the pastor was like King Tut, then I've seen board ran churches and what a distaster that was too
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Old 02-26-2007, 07:56 PM
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depends on the church. each church takes on a certain persona that is usually directed by the leadership. Sometimes all 7 work in the same church.
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Just asking...

Isn't this concept from William Branham
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:26 AM
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Just asking...

Isn't this concept from William Branham
What concept?

The cities I mentioned are found in Revelation 1-3. I thought maybe we could learn something from the letters written to them, that's all.

Are you referring to dispensationalism?
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