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Old 07-24-2007, 02:26 PM
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Perception Is Powerful

We have been discussing this on another forum and I thought I would start the same thread here for your commentary.

Here is my opening post...

We heard this weekend about a brother who planted a garden.

What he planted was marked "Watermelon" and when he planted it he did so with that understanding.

As the "watermelons" began to grow he saw that little watermelons were starting to grow.

Some would come by and say "Brother... I don't think those are watermelons" and he would reply "Oh yeah... they are definitely watermelons.

More and more comments were made that these weren't watermelons but he never once harbored even a moment of doubt because he knew... absolutely... that these were watermelons.

The watermelons were, admittedly, growing kind of oddly for watermelons.

Finally one day he realized that these were cucumbers. Now that he looked at them they looked exactly like cucumbers. When you look at them you think... how could anybody ever think that they were anything but cucumbers?

But, in his mind, they were watermelons and what he saw each day was skewed by what his mind thought was there.

Perception, predisposition, prejudice and just blind faith...

Their power is mightier than we can imagine.
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Old 07-24-2007, 02:28 PM
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This is another post from this thread...

This realization has brought me to a place where I question myself as best I can.

Admittedly we are ill equipped for true self examination but a realization of a need for said self examination goes a long way. At least for myself.

I try to keep every doctrine open for evaluation and re-evaluation. The realization of the power of perception lets me know that my judgment of whether something is true or not is, often, nothing more than a comparison against my own experiences & perceptions... and that... my friend... is not a very true measure.

This brings me to continual prayer that God show me truth beyond my own realm of thinking and help me maintain an open mind and an ability to to and fairly weigh what, at any given moment in time, I might not really believe.

This all results in a brokenness before God concerning what I believe having hope only in His promise to lead me and guide me into all truth.
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Old 07-24-2007, 02:49 PM
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This is another post from this thread...

This realization has brought me to a place where I question myself as best I can.

Admittedly we are ill equipped for true self examination but a realization of a need for said self examination goes a long way. At least for myself.

I try to keep every doctrine open for evaluation and re-evaluation. The realization of the power of perception lets me know that my judgment of whether something is true or not is, often, nothing more than a comparison against my own experiences & perceptions... and that... my friend... is not a very true measure.

This brings me to continual prayer that God show me truth beyond my own realm of thinking and help me maintain an open mind and an ability to to and fairly weigh what, at any given moment in time, I might not really believe.

This all results in a brokenness before God concerning what I believe having hope only in His promise to lead me and guide me into all truth.
Good post and thread!

That's what I like about discussing ideas/issues on a Forum, there are many diverse views and they help you to see your comments for what they are and not only for what you want them to be perceived as.
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Old 07-24-2007, 02:53 PM
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Good post and thread!

That's what I like about discussing ideas/issues on a Forum, there are many diverse views and they help you to see your comments for what they are and not only for what you want them to be perceived as.
As Keith4Him would probably point out here... we are a body and the whole is a blessing unto itself.

When we all come together with our own thoughts then we find that iron does indeed sharpen iron and we are blessed for having shared our thoughts one with the other.

Sometimes we are corrected... sometimes we are made stronger in our beliefs... but we are always blessed.
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Old 07-24-2007, 02:53 PM
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The scripture (albeit possibly misapplied) that always comes to my mind is...

Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

When I read the bolded portion I think of study of doctrines as "drinking in" what is being presented. I study it with an open mind trusting that, should this turn out to be a deadly doctrine, it will not hurt me.

If I become dogmatic then I place myself in a position of being poisoned... but when I search putting my trust in His ability to lead me rather than my own ability to find truth then I find safety in His promises.
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Old 07-24-2007, 02:56 PM
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As Keith4Him would probably point out here... we are a body and the whole is a blessing unto itself.

When we all come together with our own thoughts then we find that iron does indeed sharpen iron and we are blessed for having shared our thoughts one with the other.

Sometimes we are corrected... sometimes we are made stronger in our beliefs... but we are always blessed.
Amen! Well said!
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:22 PM
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This is another post from this thread...

This realization has brought me to a place where I question myself as best I can.

Admittedly we are ill equipped for true self examination but a realization of a need for said self examination goes a long way. At least for myself.

I try to keep every doctrine open for evaluation and re-evaluation. The realization of the power of perception lets me know that my judgment of whether something is true or not is, often, nothing more than a comparison against my own experiences & perceptions... and that... my friend... is not a very true measure.

This brings me to continual prayer that God show me truth beyond my own realm of thinking and help me maintain an open mind and an ability to to and fairly weigh what, at any given moment in time, I might not really believe.

This all results in a brokenness before God concerning what I believe having hope only in His promise to lead me and guide me into all truth.
I really like what's written here. I've never been afraid of staying open to more truth or illumination/shedding of light on the truth I already have.

The truth is ... a closed mind isn't going to even be willing to consider another viewpoint. Insecurity doesn't allow much either for conscious scrutiny & examination of what we already know or think we know and believe. Actually, a secure confident position and attitude is much more able and willing to look at a different perspective and examine objectively a challenge to our own belief system.

Although I feel pretty darn confident in what I believe, how I believe and why I believe it I'm open to hearing other ideas. I'm eager in fact to hear how other people think about doctrine and other issues. I'm looking always for that new little nugget of truth that I never saw before. As a result I'm still having the occasional lightbulb moments when new insight is gleaned from reading what others read, write and say.

Love, kindness, and acceptance of where a person is at at a given point in their journey is more likely to engage people and make them more open to receive the truth you're trying to share.
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Hey.

That's actually helpful and mature.

Thanks!
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Hey.

That's actually helpful and mature.

Thanks!
Any thoughts you may have on the subject will be greatly appreciated.
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Any thoughts you may have on the subject will be greatly appreciated.
I don't know what else to say but what I've already said several times. This type of medium, along with email, is a "cool" medium. Inflections, double meanings, tone, and inference guided by facial expressions are all lost. You can be laughing while you type something and your audience will interpret your writing as angry, or sad, or rude, or all three. Even the use of the generic "you" can be misinterpreted.

You can write something with a certain mood, intention, or meaning. But your readers will color it with whatever mood they are in at the moment they read it. There are regional differences in word usage and slang that further confound true communication of full meaning.

Neutral words, passive voice, and avoiding the use of the generic 'you' are all helpful in this regard. One of the more frequent misunderstandings is the interpretation of the author's use of 'you' generically as a specific accusation. But this is still only half the battle. So much of the replies to replies of posts is about clarification of misunderstanding even when tempers aren't rising.

We engage in what amounts to amateur publishing, and never even think of hiring an editor. We must be our own editors, filtering what we write before we post it such that we give ourselves the best chance for being understood and not giving offense (unless, of course, offense is our goal).

We should check our writing for unintentional double entendre, ambiguous meaning, and the potential for being interpreted as accusatory.

It isn't easy. But as people gain experience with these types of forums, and observe how such simple things can be misinterpreted, not only do they become more studied in their writings, but more lenient in their interpretations of the writings of others.

Look at the pages of smilies available to help convey tone. The problem is recognized at some level, but smilies alone won't fix it.

If you read something here, and it makes you angry, I recommend that you respond to it just as you would respond the first time you hear your young child unknowingly repeat a curse word. Curb your anger, ask them what they said, ask them where they heard it and if they know what it means - you get the idea.

We should grant leniency to the writings of others, and look for opportunities for misinterpretation in which we can give grace, mercy, and the benefit of the doubt.

We should ease in to familiarity with others very slowly. Teasing and friendly insults can get out of hand much more quickly with people that you've never met in person.

Tell me if you think this is helpful, it all seems obvious stuff to me. I guess some people on here are inexperienced in the corporate world of email, where each email could be your last email. The careful cultivate their carefulness and the careless cultivate the 'help-wanted' section.
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