Adultery vs Fornication

[peter83]

Adultery vs Fornication
Brothers, Sisters and "Pentecostals Apostolics"
How you see and what your Church practising according to second Marriages and divorce?
Well i believe that according to the Bible there is not excuse for justify 2nd marriage, even with the so called "exception" of Matthew 19:9.
He did not said " 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
They justify divorce and 2nd marriage by interpret the word FORNICATION as ADULTERY! However i think there are many within those groups that dont do that.
Fornication = sexual sin out of marriage, single persons can do fornication
Adultery =Sexual sin within marriage, when one of the couple leaves the other member to marry an other, or if they broke up and then marry an other, or when one of the two having sex with an other ,then is called adultery.
Thoughts? (and again sorry for my bad English)

[Praxeas]

Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the basis of sexual immorality, and marries another commits adultery, and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”
Matthew 19:9 LEB
https://bible.com/bible/90/mat.19.9.LEB

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the basis of sexual immorality, and marries another commits adultery, and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”
Matthew 19:9 LEB
https://bible.com/bible/90/mat.19.9.LEB

Yes he did not say "except adultery" but fornication. Fornications means any sex relationship outside marriage. When two married people or one of them having sex with an other ,then he commits adultery .Or if he/she marries the other person while his/her first husband lives he/she commits adultery.
Fornication happens to single persons or unlawful marriage which is not a value marriage ,and so than you can not have adultery (which happens only within two lawful married people).
Anyway i asked if your church teaches that this is an exception for divorce and what you believe.
Thanks.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

Adultery vs Fornication
Brothers, Sisters and "Pentecostals Apostolics"
How you see and what your Church practising according to second Marriages and divorce?
Well i believe that according to the Bible there is not excuse for justify 2nd marriage, even with the so called "exception" of Matthew 19:9.
He did not said " 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
They justify divorce and 2nd marriage by interpret the word FORNICATION as ADULTERY! However i think there are many within those groups that dont do that.
Fornication = sexual sin out of marriage, single persons can do fornication
Adultery =Sexual sin within marriage, when one of the couple leaves the other member to marry an other, or if they broke up and then marry an other, or when one of the two having sex with an other ,then is called adultery.
Thoughts? (and again sorry for my bad English)

The word "fornication" which refers to ANY unlawful sex, including adultery. Since it is a wife that has committed the act, it is adultery.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The word "fornication" which refers to ANY unlawful sex, including adultery. Since it is a wife that has committed the act, it is adultery.

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. so no! The only meaning of Fornication is every sexual relationship between no married people.
It did not said "to avoid Marriage" but to avoid Fornication.
(also of the adultery was a ticket for second marriage, why then Jesus said that for any other reason is adultery? Every man or woman who is so hard-hearted and divrses ,He does for marry an other one. Son then all second marriages were permitted.?)

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. so no! The only meaning of Fornication is every sexual relationship between no married people.
It did not said "to avoid Marriage" but to avoid Fornication.
(also of the adultery was a ticket for second marriage, why then Jesus said that for any other reason is adultery? Every man or woman who is so hard-hearted and divrses ,He does for marry an other one. Son then all second marriages were permitted.?)

I think your zeal to consign all divorced and remarried people to the infernal regions blinds you. Here are the definitions of the Greek word "porneia", which is translated "fornication" in Matthew 19:9:

I. illicit sexual intercourse

A. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.


B. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18


C. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I think your zeal to consign all divorced and remarried people to the infernal regions blinds you. Here are the definitions of the Greek word "porneia", which is translated "fornication" in Matthew 19:9:

If you see above ,the question i did was "what a 2nd or 3rd times married couple should do if they come to repentance"
Otherwise ,i know (we know very well) that no divorce is ever permitted to anyone. And if there is a possibility to be separate (for any reason) then must be un-married or reconcile with the ex-husband/wife
No blindness in Light. Every person who reads the Bible with the Spirit knows very well what pleased God and what not. But also every human being knows the deference between Fornication and Adultery.
The problem is if we want to obey or not. I dont WΑNT neither i can send any sinner,(except myself) to Hell. Anyone should choose where want to go , and whom they want to obey. I have also family members involved on that sin, do you think i am happy to know they go to hell if they dont repent? It should be nice if i could choose who goes to hell or not, because i could only send them to Heaven...but is not what we like or what we think is right ,neither our opinion makes something right. The opinion of God is what matter.
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Cor.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Amen.

[Graham]

Looks to me like Peter is just standing for what he believes. I admire that in anybody.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by peter83

If you see above ,the question i did was "what a 2nd or 3rd times married couple should do if they come to repentance"
Otherwise ,i know (we know very well) that no divorce is ever permitted to anyone. And if there is a possibility to be separate (for any reason) then must be un-married or reconcile with the ex-husband/wife

I know we are the New Testament Church, but where are you getting the “reconcile with the ex-husband/wife” doctrine?

Do you have scripture for that?

In the Old Testament it was forbidden to do so.

Deut.24

[1] When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
[2] And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
[3] And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
[4] Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by peter83

If you see above ,the question i did was "what a 2nd or 3rd times married couple should do if they come to repentance"
Otherwise ,i know (we know very well) that no divorce is ever permitted to anyone. And if there is a possibility to be separate (for any reason) then must be un-married or reconcile with the ex-husband/wife
No blindness in Light. Every person who reads the Bible with the Spirit knows very well what pleased God and what not. But also every human being knows the deference between Fornication and Adultery.
The problem is if we want to obey or not. I dont WΑNT neither i can send any sinner,(except myself) to Hell. Anyone should choose where want to go , and whom they want to obey. I have also family members involved on that sin, do you think i am happy to know they go to hell if they dont repent? It should be nice if i could choose who goes to hell or not, because i could only send them to Heaven...but is not what we like or what we think is right ,neither our opinion makes something right. The opinion of God is what matter.
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Cor.6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Amen.

And in the blather above I do not see one rebuttal to my comments concerning the definitions of the word "porneia".