Holiness dress standards-salvation or consecration

[TakingDominion]

Now I know many on this forum do not like the correlation between holiness and modest dress, and I see their point. However, it's a concept we are all familiar with; whether we agree with it or not.

My thought that I wanted to pose to the forum: do you see modest holy dress standards as salvational or having to do with consecration towards God?

I look forward to your responses.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Now I know many on this forum do not like the correlation between holiness and modest dress, and I see their point. However, it's a concept we are all familiar with; whether we agree with it or not.

My thought that I wanted to pose to the forum: do you see modest holy dress standards as salvational or having to do with consecration towards God?

I look forward to your responses.

I see it more along the lines of personal sanctification and modesty. While it isn't something I immediately equate with being a basis for salvation, it can be a basis for personal sin if one is brazenly and willfully immodest as some form of self-willed rebellion.

The Christian discipline/practice of modesty is biblical.

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I see it more along the lines of personal sanctification and modesty. While it isn't something I immediately equate with being a basis for salvation, it can be a basis for personal sin if one is brazenly and willfully immodest as some form of self-willed rebellion.

The Christian discipline/practice of modesty is biblical.

What is the difference between consecration and sanctification?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

What is the difference between consecration and sanctification?

Really not much at all. It's just a slightly different focus on the same process.

Consecration, is more focused on being prepared for service. Sanctification, is more focused on becoming like Christ.

As with so many things, the two can be looked at from many angels. If one believes that one is consecrated for service as one seeks sanctification (Christ-likeness), then they are very much interchangeable. If one believes that consecration unto a sacred vocation (professional pastor) entails prayer, fasting, study, and perhaps even higher education, that is a distinct manner of consecration that is more in line with preparation, as opposed to aspiration to personal Christ-likeness, or sanctification. In this sense, the two might be rather distinct.

For the most part, I'd say it is typically safe to use the two interchangeably. I don't see any "dogmatic" manner of defining the terms.

The most important thing is... what do they mean to you? And are you seeking to consecrate your life and sanctify your self for God's use and purposes?

[Wilsonwas]

Modesty and no prideful showiness are salvational, the mode of modesty and what constitutes pride, showiness, costly array, etc. These cause division because it was spelled out as if to relate to the time of the authors of standards, or articles of faith etc, rather than to reflect what was considered modesty, or pride by specifics....imho

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

Modesty and no prideful showiness are salvational, the mode of modesty and what constitutes pride, showiness, costly array, etc. These cause division because it was spelled out as if to relate to the time of the authors of standards, or articles of faith etc, rather than to reflect what was considered modesty, or pride by specifics....imho

How does the bible define Holiness?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

How does the bible define Holiness?

holiness is taking on the attributes of God by having the fruit of the Spirit

And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine. (Leviticus 20:26)

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. (Galatians 5:22-26)

[Michael The Disciple]

If one dresses immodestly they should expect to go to Hell.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If one dresses immodestly they should expect to go to Hell.

true enough!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If one dresses immodestly they should expect to go to Hell.

No offense Michael, but while I agree with you that if one dresses immodestly to incite sinful passions, to seduce, to show off wealth, position, or power they are in sin... modesty as it is typically defined in most churches is very relative.

For example, one pastor I know teaches that nude panty hose are immodest. Another teaches that it doesn't matter. One feels high heels are immodesty, another doesn't. One feels the color red is immodest on a woman, another doesn't. One sees open toe shoes as immodest, another doesn't.

I believe the intent and disposition of the heart is what determines if a state of immodesty is sin or not.

Immodesty is a multifaceted topic. For example, Isaiah prophesied against Egypt and Ethiopia in the nude for 3 years, demonstrating that they would be taken captive and led away in shameful bondage by the Assyrians. Was this demonstrative preaching immodest? Yes, purposefully so. However, was Isaiah any less "holy"? No.

Why?

Because true holiness is a disposition of the heart towards God.