Serpent Seed and Sons of God...

[Birddog]

Hey.

Not sure if this is the right area to post this, moderators please place elsewhere if needed.

I ran across some people, I believe that they are Branhamites, recently.

They mentioned serpent seed doctrine.

Now, I had never studied this before and was amazed at what I heard.

But as I studied it I found that it appears to be linked with the sons of God doctrine which many in the oneness ranks believe.

How can you say you believe in Sons of God (Angels) having sexual relationships with women and not believe SS?

[Birddog]

Then I heard some in Pentecost say that God, (Spirit) had sexual relationship with Mary, even to the point that He (Spirit) created the male seed to impregnate her with!

So maybe some can help me.

1- SS believes that satan had sex with Eve.

2- Sons of God (Angels) believes that angels had sex with human women.

3- That God (Spirit) had sex with Mary.

WOW

Alls I can say is WOW!

[Birddog]

I was reading a writing from Nate Wilson in his pastors course that was put out in 1986.

In it he states that he feels, believes, in the sons of God doctrine, or that angels procreated with human women to get the giants.

So I asked some in the WPF if that is really what their chairman believes. They replied that he does.

[Birddog]

It is interesting that the idea of demons/angels procreating with humans is a very old mythical belief that is common in witchcraft.

Almost all cultures have a mythology that features it as a centerpiece.

The present day hollywood culture has it in the Aliens and Vampire scenes.

Succubus and Incubus are two demons mentioned today in demon worship who they believe that a man or woman can have relationship with.

When I look at the Bible, I do not see SS in Genesis 3, nor do I see Sons of God as Angels in Gen 6.

Nate Wilson tries to imply that Scripture is adamant about the sons of God are Angels.

He states that in Jude 6-7 that this is implying that angels had sex with women.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

But that is false.

Both verses 6 and 7 are in reference to verse 4.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

He is saying in verse 6 that even as the angels were judged, so would ungodly men be judged.

He is saying in verse 7 that even as Sodom and G were judged so would those ungodly men be judged.

To think that verse 7 is describing verse 6 is error.

[Birddog]

Nine reasons that the Sons of God and SS doctrine are error.

1- God set perimeters to reproduction.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

2- Chapter 6 describes the sins of man, not angels.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Why would God judge men for their sins and not angels?

3- The offspring of this union were still men, not demi-gods or super humans. ie-superman or etc.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

4- We see that sons of God refer to the followers of God and of righteousness.

Exo 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Exo 4:23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

2Sa 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
2Sa 7:13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

5- Line of Seth became the Sons of God.

Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

6- Demons and Angels are not called sons of God.

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

[Birddog]

7- Jesus lets us know that angels and spirit beings cannot procreate, ie marry.

Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the Scriptures, neither the power of God?
Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

8- Satan had to have permission to touch Job, where did he ask permission to touch Eve? Where did the angels get their permission if that is true? We see that God established the perimeters in Genesis 1, angels did not have permission to overstep their bounds.

9- If it is possible in those OT instances then why don't we see it now?

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Originally Posted by Birddog

7- Jesus lets us know that angels and spirit beings cannot procreate, ie marry.

Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the Scriptures, neither the power of God?
Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

8- Satan had to have permission to touch Job, where did he ask permission to touch Eve? Where did the angels get their permission if that is true? We see that God established the perimeters in Genesis 1, angels did not have permission to overstep their bounds.

9- If it is possible in those OT instances then why don't we see it now?

Mark 12 is exactly the strong point I used. To me, that says it all. But some argued that this only speaks of angels in heaven, and not fallen angels. That is extremely weak and reaching in my opinion.

[shazeep]

we have debated these at length, and you can site search the relevant terms. It is difficult to discern any other outcome than angels actually procreating with men @ the Sons of God passage, as the "daughters of men" were ha Adam, or Seth's descendants--therefore they cannot be the Sons of God. I personally suspect gene manipulation--that the passage could be read that the Sons saw that the daughters were "pliable" or amenable to manipulation, translated "fair"--but that is kind of far out, and other theories were forwarded, one being that though angels do not marry, that doesn't mean it would be impossible for them to procreate (just how, i forget).

[Birddog]

Originally Posted by shazeep

we have debated these at length, and you can site search the relevant terms. It is difficult to discern any other outcome than angels actually procreating with men @ the Sons of God passage, as the "daughters of men" were ha Adam, or Seth's descendants--therefore they cannot be the Sons of God. I personally suspect gene manipulation--that the passage could be read that the Sons saw that the daughters were "pliable" or amenable to manipulation, translated "fair"--but that is kind of far out, and other theories were forwarded, one being that though angels do not marry, that doesn't mean it would be impossible for them to procreate (just how, i forget).

Thank you.

Actually, spent a few days reading through the different posts and gleaning where people were coming from. That is some of what led me to this site.

Then I heard that some within the WPF were believing this also.

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Originally Posted by Birddog

Hey.

Not sure if this is the right area to post this, moderators please place elsewhere if needed.

I ran across some people, I believe that they are Branhamites, recently.

They mentioned serpent seed doctrine.

Now, I had never studied this before and was amazed at what I heard.

But as I studied it I found that it appears to be linked with the sons of God doctrine which many in the oneness ranks believe.

How can you say you believe in Sons of God (Angels) having sexual relationships with women and not believe SS?

very good point.