Kim Davis

[Dante]

Is she a modern day Esther? Who is her pastor? Is she doing the right thing?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Dante

Is she a modern day Esther? Who is her pastor? Is she doing the right thing?

Are Apostolics being threatened with death? Is she married to a king?

Is she doing the right thing?

Dante are you doing the right thing?

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Are Apostolics being threatened with death? Is she married to a king?

Is she doing the right thing?

Dante are you doing the right thing?

qualifier; I now not dante.

When our civil liberties and religious rights are overstepped and our convictions mean nothing to the world, we will pay a dear price even our lives.

This day will come. If you think 70ad was bad,,,, just hold on.

Sad to say, because I hate it!
This is the kind of thing we mock because we neglect to see the relevance of it. We associate civil liberties with the Sodomites and think because the democrats support them they are irrelevant.

But I tell you, We will see the day when churches and pastors are tried in court and imprisoned for refusing to marry them. It is already against the law to preach against homosexuality in Canada. It too will be here soon. I hate it!

I heard a great Elder among us recently say at a Conference "Same sex marriage is upon us, it is here, we aren't fighting it anymore, it's here.... We are near the end."

This reminds me of the stories L.E. Westberg told of the men who stood on conviction in his church. They were court marshaled and sent to the brig or given a dishonorable discharge from the military. All for refusing to wear a short sleeve uniform.

Or the story about Phil White's son, who when working at a fast food restaurant refused to wear a short sleeve uniform. So they instituted the companies first long sleeve shirt just because he stood on conviction.

Kim Davis is a Apostolic sister who goes to a UPC church in that state, and I thank God for her stand. She said she has prayed and fasted about her decision not to give marriage licenses to same sex couples. She said she has a conviction against it. I will continue to pray for the will of God.

Here is an article about this issue;

http://www.kentucky.com/2015/08/12/3...an-county.html

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

qualifier; I now not dante.

When our civil liberties and religious rights are overstepped and our convictions mean nothing to the world, we will pay a dear price even our lives.

This day will come. If you think 70ad was bad,,,, just hold on.

Sad to say, because I hate it!
This is the kind of thing we mock because we neglect to see the relevance of it. We associate civil liberties with the Sodomites and think because the democrats support them they are irrelevant.

But I tell you, We will see the day when churches and pastors are tried in court and imprisoned for refusing to marry them. It is already against the law to preach against homosexuality in Canada. It too will be here soon. I hate it!

I heard a great Elder among us recently say at a Conference "Same sex marriage is upon us, it is here, we aren't fighting it anymore, it's here.... We are near the end."

This reminds me of the stories L.E. Westberg told of the men who stood on conviction in his church. They were court marshaled and sent to the brig or given a dishonorable discharge from the military. All for refusing to wear a short sleeve uniform.

Or the story about Phil White's son, who when working at a fast food restaurant refused to wear a short sleeve uniform. So they instituted the companies first long sleeve shirt just because he stood on conviction.

Kim Davis is a Apostolic sister who goes to a UPC church in that state, and I thank God for her stand. She said she has prayed and fasted about her decision not to give marriage licenses to same sex couples. She said she has a conviction against it. I will continue to pray for the will of God.

Here is an article about this issue;

http://www.kentucky.com/2015/08/12/3...an-county.html

Funny, I post with people, and I don't bring up eschatology, but they bring it up? Interesting. So, homosexuals are marrying homosexuals, so it's the end? Homosexuals aren't marrying homosexuals in Russia so is that the beginning? Homosexuals are executed in some Middle Eastern, and North African countries, how does that fit into an end time scenario?

Whatever.

But as far as an employer goes, the employee agrees to the rules of the job prior to being hired. If Brother Whites' son was hired into a company with short sleeves (and that is the uniform) then he knowingly joined a company which has a short sleeve uniform. Yet, if he was hired with long sleeve uniform and the uniform changed then he and his employer would have to work that out. Religious convictions just like conscientious objectors cannot join or be employed knowing that the job is contrary to their religious convictions. If someone comes to a machine shop for a job, and their policy is against long sleeves for any reason, no one can get a job there and expect to have the uniform code changed. Same thing with a woman wearing a dress, if the uniform code calls for scrubs and she believes she can wear a dress by using some religious exemption it won't work. The woman who refused to issue licenses to homosexuals had the job prior to the law change, and therefore has a case.

[J.A. Perez]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Funny, I post with people, and I don't bring up eschatology, but they bring it up? Interesting. So, homosexuals are marrying homosexuals, so it's the end? Homosexuals aren't marrying homosexuals in Russia so is that the beginning? Homosexuals are executed in some Middle Eastern, and North African countries, how does that fit into an end time scenario?

I believe the Elder V. Morton was referring to religious freedoms in America, and the Warning in the Spirit came cold as a winters blast. Get right with God, Jesus is coming!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

But as far as an employer goes, the employee agrees to the rules of the job prior to being hired. If Brother Whites' son was hired into a company with short sleeves (and that is the uniform) then he knowingly joined a company which has a short sleeve uniform. Yet, if he was hired with long sleeve uniform and the uniform changed then he and his employer would have to work that out. Religious convictions just like conscientious objectors cannot join or be employed knowing that the job is contrary to their religious convictions. If someone comes to a machine shop for a job, and their policy is against long sleeves for any reason, no one can get a job there and expect to have the uniform code changed. Same thing with a woman wearing a dress, if the uniform code calls for scrubs and she believes she can wear a dress by using some religious exemption it won't work. The woman who refused to issue licenses to homosexuals had the job prior to the law change, and therefore has a case.

Yes, all good points.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

I believe the Elder V. Morton was referring to religious freedoms in America, and the Warning in the Spirit came cold as a winters blast. Get right with God, Jesus is coming!


Yes, all good points.

Do you happen to know how many supreme court cases have been won by religious groups in America?

[VeridicalAngel]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

I believe the Elder V. Morton was referring to religious freedoms in America, and the Warning in the Spirit came cold as a winters blast. Get right with God, Jesus is coming!


Yes, all good points.

Elder knows best. I learned that from personal experience.

[TJJJ]

The cases that the LGBT community is going to bring against the Christian Churches is not about winning the cases it is about bringing the cases.

Here in our state it is not legal for a corporation to represent itself in court. An individual can represent itself but not a corp.

A person can pay a few bucks and bring a civil suit against a church. But... for that church to fight it they must now pay an attorney. 10K? 20K?

The fight that many churches will face, especially those will large assets, is the many lawsuits that will be brought against them that they will ultimately win but that will begin to drain their assets.

Those big buildings will have to be hocked to pay for that.

That is the agenda of LGBT community and their attorneys.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

The cases that the LGBT community is going to bring against the Christian Churches is not about winning the cases it is about bringing the cases.

Here in our state it is not legal for a corporation to represent itself in court. An individual can represent itself but not a corp.

A person can pay a few bucks and bring a civil suit against a church. But... for that church to fight it they must now pay an attorney. 10K? 20K?

The fight that many churches will face, especially those will large assets, is the many lawsuits that will be brought against them that they will ultimately win but that will begin to drain their assets.

Those big buildings will have to be hocked to pay for that.

That is the agenda of LGBT community and their attorneys.

http://www.christianlaw.org/cla/

http://www.adflegal.org/

http://www.adflegal.org/issues/relig...hurch/overview

[Evang.Benincasa]

http://www.christianlaw.org/cla/inde...itial_Response

Please read the whole article but I just wanted to point this portion out.

4. Be ready to stand as never before.

A. Make sure that what your church believes what the Bible teaches about sexual behavior and the definition of marriage is clearly and specifically stated in your Statement of Faith (usually a part of the church bylaws).

B. Use your church facilities for church purposes ONLY. Churches can NO LONGER simply allow "the public" to use its facilities for weddings. If your church rents out its facilities to the public, it may be forced to accept same-sex couple applicants. Your church needs A WRITTEN FACILITY USE POLICY in addition to a CLEAR STATEMENT OF FAITH. This policy needs to clearly outline that the requestor agrees with your church's statement of faith. This will aid in protecting the church and its leaders. To adequately protect the church's property, I recommend that a church ONLY permit facility use, if any, by its members IN GOOD STANDING. I also suggest that no weddings be allowed that are not presided over by one of the church's pastors. In a growing number of states, when a church opens or rents its facilities to non-members IT ENGAGES IN COMMERCE and becomes subject to "PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION" laws that prohibit various types of discrimination. This means that if your church offers certain goods or services to the public (e.g. food, goods, services, and entertainment) your property may be considered a place of public accommodation subject to state, county, and municipal anti-discrimination laws.

C. Recover the sacred meaning of marriage in word and practice. Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman before God (Mal. 2:14). As such, the ceremony is an act of worship of the Creator for the blessing of marriage (Prov. 18:22; 19:14). Weddings in the church should rightfully be referred to as worship services.

This is one of the most challenging and exciting times for Christians in the history of America. We must do the right thing, the right way. It is a privilege and an honor to stand Biblically for the cause of Jesus Christ.