Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs?

[amh]

Some might not have been baptized, and even if they were it might not have been in Jesus name. Some might not have spoken in tongues. Some might have been trinitarian. If Acts 2:38 is indeed the New Testament plan of salvation, have these martyrs for the cause of Christ died in vain?

[kclee4jc]

Ask your pastor. Don't ask that here.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Ask your pastor. Don't ask that here.

Oh yes, by all means don't dig and seek the LORD for an answer. After all, you'd be usurping authority away from your pastor in doing so because after all, he alone is the voice of God in our lives. And also, what if God told you something your pastor did not agree with? We can't let the Holy Ghost have that kind of liberty in our lives. The Spirit needs to learn to submit to the pastor just like the rest of us!!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Oh yes, by all means don't dig and seek the LORD for an answer. After all, you'd be usurping authority away from your pastor in doing so because after all, he alone is the voice of God in our lives. And also, what if God told you something your pastor did not agree with? We can't let the Holy Ghost have that kind of liberty in our lives. The Spirit needs to learn to submit to the pastor just like the rest of us!!

exactly

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by amh

Some might not have been baptized, and even if they were it might not have been in Jesus name. Some might not have spoken in tongues. Some might have been trinitarian. If Acts 2:38 is indeed the New Testament plan of salvation, have these martyrs for the cause of Christ died in vain?

Only God knows. Leave it to Him.

[amh]

I did intend this question for those who heed to the Acts 2:38 and Oneness, just so you know,

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by amh

\i did intend this question for those who heed to the acts 2:38 and oneness, just so you know,

" Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy NAME? and in thy NAME have cast out devils?
and in thy NAME done many wonderful works?"

It is not solely Acts 2:38, but also Mark 16:16. Peter and the apostles were only confirming the
words of the Lord Jesus. There have been martyrs in every organization, denomination, and religion
of every stripe: were those all saved? Did the Lord Jesus "know them"? Or can anyone be saved
and deny baptism, even the NAME of Jesus in the waters of baptism?

Now this: all who have died, the Lord will surely judge; and those who preach any other name, is
now being judged. They will finally be judged according to the judgment of the "Watchman" who did
not issue the warning, or issued a false warning!

Nevertheless, our preaching and teaching is unto the living!

"I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

[Servant's <3]

There are going to be people who have been baptized in Jesus name that are still not going to heaven. I agree that being baptized in Jesus name is correct and important, but there is more to salvation than how you are baptized.

I cannot speak for everyone but I don't believe salvation is something you accomplish by one act of obedience. I don't believe in once saved always saved. Hence there will be people baptized in Jesus name not in heaven.

As to those not baptized in Jesus name..... the bible says "there is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved" take that how you will.

I want everyone to be saved. I would like it not to matter, but I cannot read the bible and believe what it says and then draw the conclusion that it does not. I also agree with those that spoke of people's works not saving them for many will say that they have done great and important things in His name but they will still not be in heaven.

[Esaias]

Can you be saved by good works, like giving to the poor, helping folks out, praying, reading your bible, working miracles, or giving your body to the burning stake as a martyr?

[Servetus]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

Ask your pastor. Don't ask that here.

Why not?