Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-23-2015, 06:21 PM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Jews

I have two points to make about this issue:

1. Sabbath keeping was given directly to the descendants of Abraham/Isaac/Jacob AFTER God had brought them out of Egypt.

2. Sabbath keeping was NOT given to Adam and Eve in the garden.

There is no record that Sabbath was kept by Adam and Eve, or any of their descendants, until God brought the Israelites out of Egypt, and gave them the 10 commandments.

Deuteronomy 6:1-15
1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. ....

12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.


What we see here is a covenant made between God and Israel because of the great deliverance out of Egypt. The Israelites were given a specific set of commandments, that were not given to mankind before, not even to Adam & Eve. (This covenant was not made with the fathers vs. 3). The purpose of this covenant had to do with the Lord's deliverance of them as a nation out of Egypt.

Then we see the Lord say specifically again in Deut. 6:15 after he was giving instruction on how to keep the sabbath, then he said: "And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

It is obvious in this passage, that the Sabbath was given specifically to the group of Israelites who had been delivered out of Egypt to keep the Sabbath as a memorial to the Lord for what he had done for them in Egypt.

If the Sabbath was meant for all mankind to keep, it should have been taught in the garden to Adam & Eve, and their descendants. Yet, God did not command the Sabbath to be kept until after he had delivered the Israelites out of Egypt. So we understand that Sabbath keeping was to be a sign, and a remembrance of that covenant God had with them.

Consequently, in the NT, we do not ever see the commandment "Thou shalt keep the Sabbath" directed towards the Gentile Christians. That was because the Jews understood, and knew that the purpose for the covenant of the Sabbath was because of what God did for the Israelites coming out of Egypt, and was not meant for any other group of people.

And God further fulfilled and finalized his covenant with the Jewish people when Jesus became their high priest, died and rose again, changing the covenant forevermore into a new and glorious thing, as Hebrews 4 speaks of the rest that remaineth for the people of God through faith in Jesus. Those people of God now being both Jews and the Gentiles who have been grafted in after Calvary - now all can be part of the new covenant whereby our rest is complete and perfect in Christ.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-23-2015, 08:52 PM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Unvaxxed Pureblood


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 26,744
Re: Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Je

Is your conscience bugging you?

__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - https://ia800502.us.archive.org/3/it...surrection.pdf

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-23-2015, 08:58 PM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Je

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
Is your conscience bugging you?

Nope

Yours?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-24-2015, 09:33 AM
shazeep shazeep is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: chasin Grace
Posts: 9,594
Re: Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Je

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
Is your conscience bugging you?

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-24-2015, 08:50 AM
mfblume's Avatar
mfblume mfblume is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Portage la Prairie, MB CANADA
Posts: 38,161
Re: Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Je

Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord View Post
Deuteronomy 6:1-15
1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. ....

12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

WOW, POWERFUL REFERENCE! That is awesome.
__________________
...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.

"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-24-2015, 11:26 AM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Je

Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume View Post
WOW, POWERFUL REFERENCE! That is awesome.
Amen! It sure is!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-24-2015, 12:26 PM
Pressing-On's Avatar
Pressing-On Pressing-On is offline
Not riding the train


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 48,544
Re: Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Je

Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord View Post
Deuteronomy 6:1-15
1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. ....

12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume View Post
WOW, POWERFUL REFERENCE! That is awesome.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord View Post
Amen! It sure is!
Amen!!!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-24-2015, 09:36 AM
shazeep shazeep is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: chasin Grace
Posts: 9,594
Re: Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Je

Quote:
Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord View Post
I have two points to make about this issue:
quite compelling, and should settle the mind of anyone so inclined. I think an equal argument can be made that believers are the spiritual descendants of the Israelites, and the Wanderings reflect a believer's walk, etc, but i find no error in your pov. What we seek, that we will find, huh? One keeps a day unto the Lord, and another esteems all days equally, to the Lord.

Last edited by shazeep; 02-24-2015 at 09:39 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-24-2015, 11:25 AM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Je

Quote:
Originally Posted by shazeep View Post
quite compelling, and should settle the mind of anyone so inclined. I think an equal argument can be made that believers are the spiritual descendants of the Israelites, and the Wanderings reflect a believer's walk, etc, but i find no error in your pov. What we seek, that we will find, huh? One keeps a day unto the Lord, and another esteems all days equally, to the Lord.
Yes exactly, Shazeep. Deuteronomy has numerous references where the Lord told Israel that if they did "exactly" as he commanded, and did not add, nor take away from the commandments, that they would be blessed.

Deut. 4: 1-2
1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.



Further it is also stated in the following passage that by keeping these laws, because of the deliverance of the Lord out of Egypt, that the very keeping of these laws would be their righteousness.

Deut. 6:24-25
24 And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

We know from Paul's writings, that the law keeping can no longer be our righteousness, because now only through Christ can we be made righteous.

Romans 5: 18-21
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


Because of the change to the covenant ushered in by Jesus Christ at Calvary, righteousness no longer comes through keeping of the law, but through grace and faith in Jesus Christ.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-24-2015, 03:48 PM
KeptByTheWord's Avatar
KeptByTheWord KeptByTheWord is offline
On the road less traveled


 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: On a mountain... somewhere
Posts: 8,369
Re: Keeping the Sabbath was only for Israelites/Je

I am wondering where the resident sabbath keepers are, and what their response is to this.... (thank you Shazeep for your comments already).... I know there are others...
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Sabbath Day, Should You Keep or not Keep? Bruce Klein Deep Waters 788 01-12-2021 05:41 PM
Were The Israelites Black? seekerman Fellowship Hall 105 07-19-2010 04:54 PM
Keep on keeping on... Sister Alvear Missions Area 0 09-24-2008 10:46 AM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Salome
- by Salome

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:02 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.