A Few Thoughts To Ponder

[Jacob's Ladder]

Have you ever wondered whether we will actually recognize and/or know each other in heaven? I remember the apostles had a difficult time recognizing Jesus after his resurrection. Seriously, there will be millions of saints there. How will we find each other? Will we remember each other? A few people have quoted 1Corinthians 13:12 to affirm that we will know each other, but have you really studied that scripture?

Another thought that popped into my mind while reading the following…….

1 Corinthians 15:42

42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.

1Corinthinas 15:50-54

50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:“Death is swallowed up in victory.”


Notice the bolded words. The imperishable can’t inherit the perishable, but at the sound of the trumpet, only then shall we become imperishable. After the trumpet sounds, the dead and living shall be transformed. The perishable must put on the imperishable and the mortal must put on immortality.

How can an individual after death inherit an imperishable heaven when they have not been changed into imperishable status? According to the bible, we are changed into imperishable status only after the trumpet sounds. Prior to the trumpet sounding, the bible reads that, “nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable,” which signifies that we are imperishable prior to the trumpet sounding.

Do the saints really go to heaven after their death……….hmm……..lol

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Have you ever wondered whether we will actually recognize and/or know each other in heaven? I remember the apostles had a difficult time recognizing Jesus after his resurrection. Seriously, there will be millions of saints there. How will we find each other? Will we remember each other? A few people have quoted 1Corinthians 13:12 to affirm that we will know each other, but have you really studied that scripture?

Another thought that popped into my mind while reading the following…….

1 Corinthians 15:42

42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.

1Corinthinas 15:50-54

50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:“Death is swallowed up in victory.”


Notice the bolded words. The imperishable can’t inherit the perishable, but at the sound of the trumpet, only then shall we become imperishable. After the trumpet sounds, the dead and living shall be transformed. The perishable must put on the imperishable and the mortal must put on immortality.

How can an individual after death inherit an imperishable heaven when they have not been changed into imperishable status? According to the bible, we are changed into imperishable status only after the trumpet sounds. Prior to the trumpet sounding, the bible reads that, “nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable,” which signifies that we are imperishable prior to the trumpet sounding.

Do the saints really go to heaven after their death……….hmm……..lol

No they don't. They sleep the sleep of death until Jesus comes in the resurrection.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

No they don't. They sleep the sleep of death until Jesus comes in the resurrection.

Like pretty much everything else in the bible the idea of "soul sleep" is debatable with a lot of different views.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by CC1

Like pretty much everything else in the bible the idea of "soul sleep" is debatable with a lot of different views.

Isn't that because most people fail to obey the commandment of Proverbs 3:5?

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; AND LEAN NOT UNTO THINE OWN UNDERSTANDING ?

Trusting in our (inherited) carnal mind for the understanding of the principles of God's written Word, instead of SEEKING, ASKING, & KNOCKING, as commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:7), will ALWAYS bring about "different views"!

[ixoye_val69]

I think this is going to turn into an interesting debate. I am anxious to read the posts because I also have wondered about this very thing. Great question. I love this forum.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by ixoye_val69

I think this is going to turn into an interesting debate. I am anxious to read the posts because I also have wondered about this very thing. Great question. I love this forum.

I truly do commend you for expressing an interest to learn the truth about this important matter, however, as you can see, that is if you've read the things that have already been written by others, it can be extremely difficult, if not altogether impossible, to "weed" through it all and be successful in arriving at a definitive, scriptural-based understanding. If I could but offer this bit of advise: Always confirm the words of others, and that includes yours truly, with that which the sacred written word of God reveals about matters of importance such as that being discussed here.

[ixoye_val69]

Originally Posted by Lafon

I truly do commend you for expressing an interest to learn the truth about this important matter, however, as you can see, that is if you've read the things that have already been written by others, it can be extremely difficult, if not altogether impossible, to "weed" through it all and be successful in arriving at a definitive, scriptural-based understanding. If I could but offer this bit of advise: Always confirm the words of others, and that includes yours truly, with that which the sacred written word of God reveals about matters of importance such as that being discussed here.

Yes sir..I sure will..thank you. You are right..it is difficult because sometimes both sides make a pretty good argument. LOL

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Have you ever wondered whether we will actually recognize and/or know each other in heaven? I remember the apostles had a difficult time recognizing Jesus after his resurrection. Seriously, there will be millions of saints there. How will we find each other? Will we remember each other? A few people have quoted 1Corinthians 13:12 to affirm that we will know each other, but have you really studied that scripture?

Another thought that popped into my mind while reading the following…….

1 Corinthians 15:42

42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.

1Corinthinas 15:50-54

50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:“Death is swallowed up in victory.”


Notice the bolded words. The imperishable can’t inherit the perishable, but at the sound of the trumpet, only then shall we become imperishable. After the trumpet sounds, the dead and living shall be transformed. The perishable must put on the imperishable and the mortal must put on immortality.

How can an individual after death inherit an imperishable heaven when they have not been changed into imperishable status? According to the bible, we are changed into imperishable status only after the trumpet sounds. Prior to the trumpet sounding, the bible reads that, “nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable,” which signifies that we are imperishable prior to the trumpet sounding.

Do the saints really go to heaven after their death……….hmm……..lol

Death is compared to sleep, even by Jesus concerning Lazarus His friend.

Before we receive our resurrected bodies, we are probably in a "sleep dream" state, while the wicked are in a "sleep nightmare" state. I have not studied this out in depth, but the Bible clearly says that all the dead are in some type of sleep. However, they are very aware of their surroundings.

[Steve Epley]

Peter, James, John knew Moses and Elijah on the Mountain?

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Peter, James, John knew Moses and Elijah on the Mountain?

This is something I've always wondered about. How did they know who it was.
Well they had seen their pictures in a bible story book probably! Seriously, they were either told that is who it was or somehow they were able to recognize them. After all they had read everything Moses and Elijah had written.