What About The Children???

[Jermyn Davidson]

Gee golly willickers!

What will we ever do about the THOUSANDS of unaccompanied illegal immigrant children on our soil now?

Should we depart them back to their home country? What if they're government can't verify their identities or citizenship status?

Should we simply turn them around at the Mexican border? What if they die in the dessert on their way back home-- or worse, kidnapped by sex trade smugglers?

All the children! All the THOUSANDS of children! America must do something about this!

"We must do right by the children," said Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson.


BWAHAHAHA!

Either the House GOP decides to tackle Immigration Reform or the President will!

Lead or get out of the way-- here comes Jose...

And Pablo,
And Maria,
And Esperanza,
And Jorge,
And Lux,
And Juan,
And another Juan,
And two more Jose's,
And Marisol,
And Carlos,
And Camilla,
And Felicidad,
And Tomas,
And another Jose!

These are only a quarter of the children who are escaping from the first war-torn and impoverished Central American village. There are hundreds more villages, thousands more children!

Oh the humanity!

What are we going to do about the CHILDREN?

[n david]

obama created this mess with his DREAM Act. I know you won't agree because you believe obama is the bomb diggity yo. The fact is these kids aren't suddenly afraid for their lives and fleeing their countries, as the violence in Columbia, Venezuela, and other countries pre-dated the obama presidency.

He bypassed Congress, made a grand speech at the Rose Garden, with illegals standing with him, that his admin was going to allow kids (dreamers) stay in the US and become citizens.

That's why there's an invasion at the borders. His advisor, Valerie Jarrett had meetings with pro amnesty groups just a couple weeks before this invasion began.

The best thing for these kids is to be returned and reunited with their families, not put in cages in a warehouse down in Nogales, AZ.

Best thing isn't for DHS to bus immigrants in to the Greyhound station in PHX at 24th and Buckeye, and dump them off with instructions to appear in court at a certain date.

If obama and the Democrats were serious and willing to work with Republicans to fix immigration, they would allow a bill with enforcement measures. They won't, Reid blocks every one and obama threatens a veto if Reid did allow it. That shows they don't care about fixing it. They just want to expand their voter base.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

obama created this mess with his DREAM Act. I know you won't agree because you believe obama is the bomb diggity yo.

See! This is (in part) why the GOP has the reputation it has among minorities in America!

I don't think President Obama is the bomb diggity. I think he is a very good President and I am proud of him.


If Romney was our President, I wouldn't offer you Grey Poupon for your ham sandwich-- mainly because I don't use Grey Poupon.

Similarly, I doubt you use the phrase "bomb diggity" in describing your admiration for Reagan.


Now that I've addressed that, I am thinking that you agree with Perry-- that President Obama and his minions have somehow concocted this entire crisis, to the extent that the U.S. government went to Central America and solicited parents to send their children unaccompanied over thousands of miles of desert and danger just to create this situation.

Am I right to think this?

To what extent is this crisis Obama's doing?

[Jermyn Davidson]

What about the CHILDREN?
Put them on busses?

What if the busses are hijacked in the desert in some sweaty, drug cartel controlled town?

What if Hezbollah operatives sieze the busses of children and tries to use the children as bargaining chips for their evil goals?!

What if Boko Haram hijacks the busses and steals the kids and takes them back to Africa, into forests, to make the little girls and little boys into forest wives?!

If any of these things were to happen to even just one of the children we turn our back on, HOW ON EARTH WOULD WE ESCAPE THE WRATH AND KARMA OF THE UNIVERSES for our SELFISH HEARTS!!!


These are CHILDREN!

Thousands of CHILDREN!

Open your heart today to a little Jose!


Don't let him become a forest wife!

[Jermyn Davidson]

Oh the humanity!

WOE for our humanity!!

What about the children?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

See! This is (in part) why the GOP has the reputation it has among minorities in America!

Why, because I called him the "bomb diggity?" Get a life.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I don't think President Obama is the bomb diggity. I think he is a very good President and I am proud of him.

Why are you proud of him? What has he done to make you proud? Name something.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Similarly, I doubt you use the phrase "bomb diggity" in describing your admiration for Reagan.

Perhaps, perhaps not. It's not the first I've used the word, nor will it be the last. Are you trying to insinuate I'm somehow racist because I used that phrase? Please. You're going to have to try harder than that.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

To what extent is this crisis Obama's doing?

I'll repost.

Originally Posted by n david

This was intentional. It was planned. The obama admin manufactured a crisis to try and force Congress to capitulate to his demands on immigration, which is no enforcement, amnesty and open borders.

Why is there a gag order on the Border Patrol agents now? What's the obama admin afraid they'll say? Why are journalists being threatened with arrest for covering this? Why are Congressmen being denied access to walk through these holding centers? Why won't they allow news reporters access?

Now, you won't find any coincidence in this, because of your love and pride of all things obama; however, obama and some of his staff, including Jeh Johnson (DHS Secy), met with immigration activists in the White House on Friday, March 14th. Suddenly at the end of May we have a "crisis" at the border.

Source Link

This afternoon the President, Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson, and senior White House officials met with organizations committed to passing bipartisan commonsense immigration reform. The leaders of these organizations shared their concerns for the families facing the separation that comes from our broken immigration system. The President reiterated the deep concern he has for the pain these families face and that he has asked Secretary Johnson to do an inventory of the Department’s current practices to see how it can conduct enforcement more humanely within the confines of the law. Secretary Johnson reemphasized his shared commitment to ensure our immigration laws are enforced effectively, sensibly, and in line with our nation’s traditions as a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants. The President reiterated his commitment to maintaining consistent and sustained pressure on Congressional Republicans to take action on immigration reform as soon as possible. The President continues to believe that the only permanent solution to fixing the broken immigration system is through meaningful comprehensive legislation.

List of Participants:

•Jeh Johnson, Secretary of Homeland Security
•John Podesta, Counselor to the President
•Valerie Jarrett, Senior Advisor to the President
•Cecilia Munoz, Director of Domestic Policy Council
•Katie Beirne Fallon, Director of Legislative Affairs
•Deepak Bhargava, Center for Community Change
•Eddie Carmona, PICO
•Mary Kay Henry, SEIU
•Marielena Hincapie, National Immigration Law Center
•Angie Kelley, Center for American Progress
•Eliseo Medina, Fast for Families
•Mee Moua, Asian American Justice Center
•Janet Murguia, National Council of la Raza
•Karen Narasaki, CAMBIO
•Ali Noorani, National Immigration Forum
•Lorella Praeli, United We Dream
•Arturo Rodriguez, United Farm Workers
•Angelica Salas, CHIRLA
•Gabriel Salguero, NALEC
•Frank Sharry, America’s Voice
•Gustavo Torres, Casa de Maryland
•Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO

Now, are you really so attached to obama's posterior that you aren't able to see that the meeting of 14-March is related to the invasion of our borders in the latter part of May? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there was an effort in the obama administration to put pressure on the GOP to capitulate to his demands and pass amnesty in the next 15 days before they go home in August.

Look, it's a brilliant idea. Put out the word through leftist groups like La Raza and PICO and the other to get a massive number of kids -- not adults -- to flood the border. He's hoping to force Congress' hand, and make them pass amnesty and more open borders.

There's a reason DHS and Jeh Johnson is involved in this, beyond it being a homeland security issue. DHS is the entity bussing and housing these kids and other people. Normally it's the Border Patrol which is tasked with this responsibility.

Again, please answer the questions I posed above: Why is there a gag order on the Border Patrol? Why have US Congressmen been prohibited from visiting these holding centers? Why were hospital staff threatened with arrest if they devulged the massive number of immigrants with diseases? Why aren't news reporters allowed to photo or tour these facilities or interview these immigrants?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Why, because I called him the "bomb diggity?" Get a life.

Your use of that phrase with me is specifically geared towards me because I am black and he is black. Your word usage isn't in itself racist, but there is a disrespective undertone that is completely laced with racial garbage-- and it was intentional.

It is completely unnecessarilly and purposefully off-putting, adding nothing to the previously respectful conversation.

Originally Posted by n david

Why are you proud of him? What has he done to make you proud? Name something.

I am proud of him because he is the first black President. I am proud of many things that have happened on his watch.

1) He revised and expanded the HARP program for American homeowners.
2) The banks and businesses he saved through stimulus.
3) He saved the American auto industry (General motors).
4) He kept his promise on Iraq.
5) Capturing and killing Bin Laden.
6) There is a healthcare law that helps expand healthcare to children-- apart from the ACA.
7) The healthcare that many more Americans have access to now that Affordable care Act is the law.
8) He has increased fuel efficiency standards for automobiles.
9) Military Veterans receive better care and have their claims reviewed and decided much faster because of his policies.
10) His policies have helped to privatize the space industry.
11) His policies are helping to fix the drug sentencing disparities that existed between cocaine and crack cocaine.
12) People can serve their country in the military regardless of sexual orientation. At first, I thought this was a bad thing, but now I don't think this is a bad thing.

There is more, but this thread is about the children, not President Obama.

Originally Posted by n david

Perhaps, perhaps not. It's not the first I've used the word, nor will it be the last. Are you trying to insinuate I'm somehow racist because I used that phrase? Please. You're going to have to try harder than that.

Dude, as much as we have discussed things and this is how you think? If I wanted to call you racist, I'd simply call you racist. I was trying to point out to you the unnecesarily racially charged slant that you gave your observation of my admiration of President Obama. I am trying to help you see where many Republicans go wrong in one conversation, and later wonder why they have very little success in appealing to a more diverse electorate.



Now I don't have answers to your other questions, but as you say I am attached to Obama's posterior, I can just as easily say that you are blinded by idealogically driven hate for President Obama to only see negative in everyting he does.

[Jermyn Davidson]

aegsm76,
As I look bad at what I wrote, it seems unintelligible. I apologize for that. Let me speak plainly.

There are conservative Christians who will care more the unborn children that are yet to be than they will for the 50,000+ children at our border right now.

I think there is hypocrisy in this.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Your use of that phrase with me is specifically geared towards me because I am black and he is black. Your word usage isn't in itself racist, but there is a disrespective undertone that is completely laced with racial garbage.

It is completely unnecessarilly and purposefully off-putting, adding nothing to the previously respectful conversation.

Uhm, okay. Here we go again. At any and every chance, you play the card. It's your thing. Do your thing. (And by using the phrase, "Do your thing," I mean no racial intent.)

Good grief

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am proud of him because he is the first black President. I am proud of many things that have happened on his watch.

1) He revised and expanded the HARP program for American homeowners.

Creating more negative debt for homeowners.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

2) The banks and businesses he saved through stimulus.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

3) He saved the American auto industry (General motors).

Obama had nothing to do with this. W and Paulson put this in place during the 2008 Primary. I was against it, and still am.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

4) He kept his promise on Iraq.

Again, the deadline was already set and agreed to while W was in office.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

5) Capturing and killing Bin Laden.

This I didn't realize! OBAMA captured and then killed OBL? Here I thought it was Seal Team 6 that did it.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

6) There is a healthcare law that helps expand healthcare to children-- apart from the ACA.

The Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) was signed into law by Clinton and has continued through the W and obama admins. obama simply reauthorized the bill until 2019. He didn't implement it or begin it.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

7) The healthcare that many more Americans have access to now that Affordable care Act is the law.

The same obamacare which has been challenged and found to have unconstitutional provisions, and the same which may yet be invalidated by the courts since the WH claims the penalty is a tax and it did not originate in the US House, which is required by the Constitution.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

8) He has increased fuel efficiency standards for automobiles.

Every President has done this. Seriously, you're grasping for something here.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

9) Military Veterans receive better care and have their claims reviewed and decided much faster because of his policies.

Seriously!? You're going to claim military vets receive better and faster care. Did you even read before copying and pasting this list? In the middle of the worst Vet scandal in history, you're going to claim it's better under obama. Wow!

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

10) His policies have helped to privatize the space industry.

They've also help gut the space program and outsource exploration to launches from Russia and China.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

11) His policies are helping to fix the drug sentencing disparities that existed between cocaine and crack cocaine.

Well, when the President is also a former addict, this can be expected.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

12) People can serve their country in the military regardless of sexual orientation. At first, I thought this was a bad thing, but now I don't think this is a bad thing.

Awe, how tolerant of you! I think it's wonderful. W should have done this during his terms, so that way they could've redecorated Sadaam's palaces.

Please post the source of this copy/paste job. Thanks

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Dude, as much as we have discussed things and this is how you think? If I wanted to call you racist, I'd simply call you racist. I was trying to point out to you the unnecesarily racially charged slant that you gave your observation of my admiration of President Obama. I am trying to help you see where many Republicans go wrong in one conversation, and later wonder why they have very little success in appealing to a more diverse electorate.

Well, you did call what I posted racist, a bit indirectly, but still made the claim. And the reason the GOP has these alleged issues is because of blacks who accuse other blacks who support the GOP of being "Uncle Toms" or "House N-s." The reason the GOP has alleged issues reaching the black vote is because black leaders like Sharpton and other want to keep them poor and keep them disenfranchised so they can continue to exert their control over them and remain leaders in the black community.

It's like growing up in my Father's church, where a black Pastor told a couple who wanted to come to our church that they should stay with their own kind and that these "crackers" can't understand them.

The problem with the GOP and black relations has little to do with the GOP. The biggest problem is the leaders in the black community...the NAACP, Sharpton and Jackson and all the black Pastors who demonize the GOP and lie about the history of the civil rights. Don't tell me you're trying to help. You spend post after post condemning the GOP as racists without proof.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Now I don't have answers to your other questions, but as you say I am attached to Obama's posterior, I can just as easily say that you are blinded by idealogically driven hate for President Obama to only see negative in everyting he does.

Aren't you curious at all as to the timeline of events and why the muzzle on the Border Patrol and press? This goes beyond my disdain for obama's policies.

[n david]

This was intentional. It was planned. The obama admin manufactured a crisis to try and force Congress to capitulate to his demands on immigration, which is no enforcement, amnesty and open borders.

Why is there a gag order on the Border Patrol agents now? What's the obama admin afraid they'll say? Why are journalists being threatened with arrest for covering this? Why are Congressmen being denied access to walk through these holding centers? Why won't they allow news reporters access?