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Old 07-23-2013, 03:33 PM
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Innocent party

I have been in fellowship with men for years that have believed that an apostolic saint could have one wife! Til death do ye part! Is it me or does it seem like many men are leaning in geat numbers toward a fellowship that believes the innocent party doctrine
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:41 PM
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You will have to explain exactly what you mean.
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:44 PM
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I have been in fellowship with men for years that have believed that an apostolic saint could have one wife! Til death do ye part! Is it me or does it seem like many men are leaning in geat numbers toward a fellowship that believes the innocent party doctrine
I believe the position is rooted in the following text...

1 Corinthians 7:10-15
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10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
In verse 15 Paul uses the phrase, "not under bondage". This was the very same verbiage found in ancient Roman divorce decrees that permitted Roman citizens to remarry. Thus, many theologians believe that Paul permits believers who are abandoned by unbelieving (or backslidden spouses) to remarry.
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:46 PM
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Re: Innocent party

In Matthew Jesus states:
"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." (Matthew 19:9)
The implication is that if a wife was guilty of unlawful sexual conduct, he might divorce her and remarry. Thus the innocent party might remarry.
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:49 PM
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I'm not sure what you want me to explain? According to Timothy a Bishop is to have one wife. But unless i'm mistaken many men are leaning towards fellowship that believes you can re-marry in the case of fornication (adultry). I am just wondering why the sudden shift in beliefs
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I'm not sure what you want me to explain? According to Timothy a Bishop is to have one wife. But unless i'm mistaken many men are leaning towards fellowship that believes you can re-marry in the case of fornication (adultry). I am just wondering why the sudden shift in beliefs
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I'm not sure what you want me to explain? According to Timothy a Bishop is to have one wife. But unless i'm mistaken many men are leaning towards fellowship that believes you can re-marry in the case of fornication (adultry). I am just wondering why the sudden shift in beliefs
Sudden change in beliefs to a biblical one. That is odd. I got nothin'.
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I'm not sure what you want me to explain? According to Timothy a Bishop is to have one wife. But unless i'm mistaken many men are leaning towards fellowship that believes you can re-marry in the case of fornication (adultry). I am just wondering why the sudden shift in beliefs
First, the Greek phrase translated "have one wife" is more literally translated out of the Greek as meaning "be a man of one woman". No sister wives or concubines (common in that era). Also, no mistresses. It's more about faithfulness to a single woman than a social status.

Some have proposed that if a man were divorced and remarried he has two wives. If this were true... is he entitled to have conjugal relations with his first wife??? Nope. Most would argue because she isn't his wife. Thus, his second wife is obviously his only wife. He is a man of one wife.
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[QUOTE=Aquila;1267656]First, the Greek phrase translated "have one wife" is more literally translated out of the Greek as meaning "be a man of one woman". No sister wives or concubines (common in that era). Also, no mistresses. It's more about faithfulness to a single woman than a social status.

Some have proposed that if a man were divorced and remarried he has two wives. If this were true... is he entitled to have conjugal relations with his first wife??? Nope. Most would argue because she isn't his wife. Thus, his second wife is obviously his only wife. He is a man of one wife.[/QUOTE]

as a family member of a Oneness UPC pastor (an Uncle who passed a few years back) he was very stern and did not waiver at all on this~ He felt as if one divorced they could never remarry bc it was a sin and they would be living in adultery. I am of one marriage of 30 years and is my husband but I seen my cousin (the daughter of my uncle) live in an abusive relationship and where he was with different women until there was a divorce. Her dad told her she would be living in adultery if she got remarried. She left the church and later remarried when she learned this was NOT so from another UPC pastor. I do not get the whole issue at all. I do not think God is pleased with all the divorces .... however, when a spouse cheats....there is NO working thru that IMO and so they need to move on, and I do not think God would want to see that person pass up a chance at finding a decent person to marry and enjoy their life with and be happy.
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I'm not sure what you want me to explain? According to Timothy a Bishop is to have one wife. But unless i'm mistaken many men are leaning towards fellowship that believes you can re-marry in the case of fornication (adultry). I am just wondering why the sudden shift in beliefs
The context of Pauls letter ot Timothy was the reality of polegamy.

Paul and Jesus cover divorce and remarriage in other passages. You cannot take Pauls comments here out of the context of the words of both Jesus and Paul in other locations.
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