Stan Gleason preaching today at Because of the Times said, "The reason that deception feels like revelation is that they both come from God. Heaven, give us ears to hear!"
So.....
God tells lies? He is a deceiver?
He must read a different Bible...
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I'm not understanding how deception comes from God...
It starts in the heart of a man who will stand in opposition to God. Then God determining that the individual will not turn from his rebellion turns him over to distruction.
It is a fearful thing to watch. I have seen it. It is heart breaking. It us utterly devistating in its result.
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You sure about that? Go back and read the story of Moses and Pharoh. Read the NT where the bible talks about people being turned over to a reprobate mind.
..2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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Originally Posted by Ferd
It starts in the heart of a man who will stand in opposition to God. Then God determining that the individual will not turn from his rebellion turns him over to distruction.
It is a fearful thing to watch. I have seen it. It is heart breaking. It us utterly devistating in its result.
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Stan Gleason preaching today at Because of the Times said, "The reason that deception feels like revelation is that they both come from God. Heaven, give us ears to hear!"
So.....
God tells lies? He is a deceiver?
He must read a different Bible...
You sure about that? Go back and read the story of Moses and Pharoh. Read the NT where the bible talks about people being turned over to a reprobate mind.
..2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
...
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
You sure about that? Go back and read the story of Moses and Pharoh. Read the NT where the bible talks about people being turned over to a reprobate mind.
..2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
...
Someone said on another forum: "The language of 'God sending a delusion' is one thing to sort out--- but the idea that He's telling people BOTH truth and a lie and they need to able to tell the difference because they are both simultaneously from him is another."
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
Someone said on another forum: "The language of 'God sending a delusion' is one thing to sort out--- but the idea that He's telling people BOTH truth and a lie and they need to able to tell the difference because they are both simultaneously from him is another."
I didnt get that from the quote. And further I dont have the context of the quote. I seriously dont think that is what the speaker was saying.
That being said, I have certainly seen preachers who thought they had revelation and I stood in wonder at their delusion.
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Someone said on another forum: "The language of 'God sending a delusion' is one thing to sort out--- but the idea that He's telling people BOTH truth and a lie and they need to able to tell the difference because they are both simultaneously from him is another."
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God shall send them strong delusion - Greek: “energy of deceit;” a Hebraism, meaning strong deceit, The agency of God is here distinctly recognised, in accordance with the uniform statements of the Scriptures, respecting evil; compare Exo_7:13; Exo_9:12; Exo_10:1, Exo_10:20, Exo_10:27; Exo_11:10; Exo_14:8. Isa_45:7. On the nature of this agency, see the notes on Joh_12:40. It is not necessary here to suppose that there was any positive influence on the part of God in causing this delusion to come upon them, but all the force of the language will be met, as well as the reasoning of the apostle, by supposing that God withdrew all restraint, and suffered men simply to show that they did not love the truth. God often places people in circumstances to develop their own nature, and it cannot be shown to be wrong that He should do so. If people have no love of the truth, and no desire to be saved, it is not improper that they should be allowed to manifest this. How it happened that they had no “love of the truth,” is a different question, to which the remarks of the apostle do not appertain; compare Rom_9:17-18, note; Rom_1:24, note.
That they should believe a lie - This does not affirm that God wished them to believe a lie; nor that He would not have preferred that they should believe the truth; nor that He exerted any direct agency to cause them to believe a lie. It means merely that He left them, because they did not love the truth, to believe what was false, and what would end in their destruction. Can anyone doubt that this constantly occurs in the world? People are left to believe impostors; to trust to false guides; to rely on unfounded information; to credit those who live to delude and betray the innocent; and to follow those who lead them to ruin. God does not interpose by direct power to preserve them. Can anyone doubt this? Yet this is not especially the doctrine of revelation. The fact pertains just as much to the infidel as it does to the believer in Christianity, and he is just as much bound to explain it as the Christian is. It belongs to our world - to us all - and it should not be charged on Christianity as a doctrine pertaining especially to that system.
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God shall send them strong delusion - Greek: “energy of deceit;” a Hebraism, meaning strong deceit, The agency of God is here distinctly recognised, in accordance with the uniform statements of the Scriptures, respecting evil; compare Exo_7:13; Exo_9:12; Exo_10:1, Exo_10:20, Exo_10:27; Exo_11:10; Exo_14:8. Isa_45:7. On the nature of this agency, see the notes on Joh_12:40. It is not necessary here to suppose that there was any positive influence on the part of God in causing this delusion to come upon them, but all the force of the language will be met, as well as the reasoning of the apostle, by supposing that God withdrew all restraint, and suffered men simply to show that they did not love the truth. God often places people in circumstances to develop their own nature, and it cannot be shown to be wrong that He should do so. If people have no love of the truth, and no desire to be saved, it is not improper that they should be allowed to manifest this. How it happened that they had no “love of the truth,” is a different question, to which the remarks of the apostle do not appertain; compare Rom_9:17-18, note; Rom_1:24, note.
That they should believe a lie - This does not affirm that God wished them to believe a lie; nor that He would not have preferred that they should believe the truth; nor that He exerted any direct agency to cause them to believe a lie. It means merely that He left them, because they did not love the truth, to believe what was false, and what would end in their destruction. Can anyone doubt that this constantly occurs in the world? People are left to believe impostors; to trust to false guides; to rely on unfounded information; to credit those who live to delude and betray the innocent; and to follow those who lead them to ruin. God does not interpose by direct power to preserve them. Can anyone doubt this? Yet this is not especially the doctrine of revelation. The fact pertains just as much to the infidel as it does to the believer in Christianity, and he is just as much bound to explain it as the Christian is. It belongs to our world - to us all - and it should not be charged on Christianity as a doctrine pertaining especially to that system.
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You sure about that? Go back and read the story of Moses and Pharoh. Read the NT where the bible talks about people being turned over to a reprobate mind.
..2 Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
...
Ferd,
I agree with your thesis, it's clear that Paul says that God sends the delusion....my confusion stems from the scripture you referenced juxtaposed against the two I've listed below......
James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Hebrews 6:18 (KJV)
That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
In my way of thinking, and the way I interpret these scriptures is God can only send truth, and in order for Him to send a delusion He would be propogating a lie, which is impossible.
A conundrum!
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My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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