Mystery babylon the great

[bbyrd009]

After the Flood the city state of Babylon became the center of Satan's great attack on human history. After the destruction of the Tower of Babel, Babylon remained in hidden mystery form in Satan's Cosmic System. The world counterattack of Mystery Babylon continued through the ages. The power of the great evil in the world today is defined through the symbolism of the Evil King and the Prostitute of Babylon in Revelation.

Foreword

Mystery Babylon, which is taught from Genesis to Revelation, is one of the major doctrines in the Bible and one of the major themes of human history. Yet, this strategically important doctrine lies beyond the grasp of most people. So well-hidden is the mystery, right under the nose, that the symptoms are seen but not the cause. The reason lies in the power that Satan has over this world through fundamental values like the love of money and honey (sexuality).

Satan controls the pastors as well as the congregations. He controls the parents as well as the children. So, each generation is doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.
It doesn't have to be this way. The Light is available for those who want it...
http://www.biblenews1.com/babylon/babylon1.html

[Michael The Disciple]

I see Mystery Babylon more as New York City or maybe America itself.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I see Mystery Babylon more as New York City or maybe America itself.

Ha it is a spiritual realm, the counterfeit...
this guy is like, gripping
the Bible like you never heard it.
You have to let some of the frankly alien-sounding
concepts just slide by, at first, but
his model seems extremely productive.

[bbyrd009]

This is actually like his page 1;
most of the new terms are defined here,
a page or so in, and it is a good intro to the model.

You're prolly going to toss most of your old one,
if you can get over the new lexicon;
this guy will update you

"Only the believer with the ability to apply Bible Doctrine will ever see Satan, let alone overcome to be a winner." (Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 26; 3:5, 12, 21; 21:7; 1 Jn 5:4-5).

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

This is actually like his page 1;
most of the new terms are defined here,
a page or so in, and it is a good intro to the model.

You're prolly going to toss most of your old one,
if you can get over the new lexicon;
this guy will update you

"Only the believer with the ability to apply Bible Doctrine will ever see Satan, let alone overcome to be a winner." (Rev 2:7, 11, 17, 26; 3:5, 12, 21; 21:7; 1 Jn 5:4-5).

????????? Oh well.

[bbyrd009]

Um, ya, maybe not "toss;"
He'll either speak to you, or not.

[Nitehawk013]

I wouldn't call that "gripping". More like annoyingly vague and hermeneutically incoherant. The article makes a TON of assertions, with minor scriptural connections, and holds them as if they are the most incredible revelations imaginable. It's a mess from the word go. He makes no solid scriptural connections nor does he properly explain of those connections. He just basically throws out his opinion of what the verses mean with no regard to context or criticism.

I've seen many different opinions on who or what Mystery Babylon is, but this is by far the most haphazardly tossed together mess among them.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I wouldn't call that "gripping". More like annoyingly vague and hermeneutically incoherant. The article makes a TON of assertions, with minor scriptural connections, and holds them as if they are the most incredible revelations imaginable. It's a mess from the word go. He makes no solid scriptural connections nor does he properly explain of those connections. He just basically throws out his opinion of what the verses mean with no regard to context or criticism.

I've seen many different opinions on who or what Mystery Babylon is, but this is by far the most haphazardly tossed together mess among them.

That seems harsh; you've read him for what, 3 minutes? I was skeptical at first, too. Not real sure why I even kept reading him. Don't know about your "holds them as if they are the most incredible revelations imaginable," why do you say this? I'll be kind and say that I believe you are making naive accusations--or can you refute something he has asserted?

There is a sense in which satan steals a lexicon,
say that of Christianity, and dilutes the meaning
of ones whole lexicon, over time; until the very meaning of
"Christian" is diluted. Anything signifying "good"
will be turned to "bad" by satan.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy
Well, you have to admit, the label "Christian" means different things to different people.
and so does
Apostolic
Holiness
Pentecostal
Charismatic
Conservative
Liberal
etc

Therefore, anyone with a vision is not going
to be interested in using your diluted lexicon,
and will provide their own, which you must learn,
before you may learn any really new thing,
such as, in this case, how to actually operate as
a Christian, rather than endlessly discussing
hair and skirt length, or discussing the merits
of forced glossololia.

Now, I am completely open to any Scripturally-backed
critique of this or any new hearing; I realize that the guy
has an unusual model--but you have no other term
for the "Edification Complex of the Soul," really, or
your "Integrity Envelope," although you have both
of these inside you.

I am not qualified to judge this guy,
and a message either speaks to one, or it does not;
I have no problem with that.
But I think you are slandering the guy here, and
worse, you are quite likely slandering the Spirit.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I wouldn't call that "gripping". More like annoyingly vague and hermeneutically incoherant. The article makes a TON of assertions, with minor scriptural connections, and holds them as if they are the most incredible revelations imaginable. It's a mess from the word go. He makes no solid scriptural connections nor does he properly explain of those connections. He just basically throws out his opinion of what the verses mean with no regard to context or criticism.

I've seen many different opinions on who or what Mystery Babylon is, but this is by far the most haphazardly tossed together mess among them.

:crickets
So, this is just some pathetic hit-and-run?
A shame; I had more respect for you than this,
and it seems beneath you. I don't think you could
defend your remarks if your life depended on it,
which I'm pretty sure it does, let alone present
a more cohesive model of Mystery Babylon, our enemy (see Revelations).
I'm guessing you're a pastor.

[bbyrd009]

And just so you know,
I don't agree with every word he has said.

You might read this as a "story,"
take it all as fiction, if you like,
at least until you get more familiar with
his terms. Suspend your typical resistance
to a new model for a minute, if you will,
and you might accidentally get some new hearing.

You post like the guy is suggesting
that you eat your children or something,
when you actually have no evidence against him.
I'll be waiting for that refute.