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Old 01-07-2012, 08:05 AM
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myth of imputed righteousness of Christ??

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Re: myth of imputed righteousness of Christ??

I hear him. I think we do need to teach right living - clearly and explicitly. I do think this is often missing in modern day Christianity.

Yet, the overarching message cannot be that we somehow qualify for salvation.

I think the teacher goes overboard in an attempt to correct an imbalance... But I just listened to the first ten min.
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People don't know the difference between propitiation,justification, and sanctification.
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People don't know the difference between propitiation,justification, and sanctification.
true, but what about the video?
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true, but what about the video?
Too long.
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I wonder if were dealing with semantics.
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Re: myth of imputed righteousness of Christ??

The video is some of the most excellent teaching available on the internet. The doctrine of "imputed righteousness" has like he said been greatly distorted. Matter of fact Im sure that Jude had this in mind when he mentioned "turning the grace of God into lewdness".

Most Christians today have never heard the truth about holiness. It sounds strange when they hear it because they are taught aggressively that God does not see their sin he only sees the blood of Christ. The fear of God is very rarely taught and "be perfect as the Father in Heaven" is always dismissed with the "Greek".

Jesse teaches repentance all over America on the streets and campuses. I cant remember his other beliefs but on this topic hes nailed it.
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Imputed righteousness is a necessity to stand before a HOLY God. Nothing we can do can make us Holy enough. We are positionally sinless in Christ. But people think it stops there. While our position is sinless in Christ...it's purpose is that we must change our condition bringing our condition into harmony with our position. This is called sanctification. It's like discovering that you're royalty and being whisked away to the palace and given royal robes. Positionally, you're royalty. But your condition isn't. You still chew with your mouth open, gulp your drinks, pick your nose, and burp at the dinner table. Now you must learn the proper manners and customs of royalty.
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Imputed righteousness is a necessity to stand before a HOLY God. Nothing we can do can make us Holy enough. We are positionally sinless in Christ. But people think it stops there. While our position is sinless in Christ...it's purpose is that we must change our condition bringing our condition into harmony with our position. This is called sanctification. It's like discovering that you're royalty and being whisked away to the palace and given royal robes. Positionally, you're royalty. But your condition isn't. You still chew with your mouth open, gulp your drinks, pick your nose, and burp at the dinner table. Now you must learn the proper manners and customs of royalty.
Did you watch the video?
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Did you watch the video?
Yes.

I see an exteme in believing in the imputed righteousness of Christ that denies the need for sanctification. I also see an extreme of denying the imputation of the rightoeusness of Christ that bases our salvation upon our works.

The imputation of Christ's righteousness initially makes us holy before God that we might receive the Holy Ghost. This is justification. Because without it... no man would be worthy. At this point a man is "positionally" declared righteous and holy on account of Christ's own righteousness. However, sanctification addresses our "condition" and is our surrendering to the Spirit that Christ might be formed in us. Failure to sanctify one's self is akin to one being freely declared royalty without any merit in his own self... and refusing to learn the ways of royalty to the point of ultimately being disowned by the royal family.

This video is missing this balance.

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