Where are the miracles??

[Dedicated Mind]

I believe that miracles are not overtly present in contemporary apostolic ministries because the upc does not practice the doctrine of sanctification.

John 8:34-35 states,
"I assure you that everyone who sins is a slave of sin. A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son is part of the family forever."

Matthew 12:29, in reference to demons and sickness states,
"One cannot rob Satan's kingdom without first tying him up. Only then can his demons be cast out." Both quotes from the New Living Translation.

Until we have conquered sin in our own spirit, by yielding to God in prayer instead of yielding to sin and lust, can we then have authority over demons and sickness. If we 'die daily' and live the 'abiding life' we can then see miracles. Why do you think we don't see more miracles??

John 15:5
"He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit"
kjv

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I believe that miracles are not overtly present in contemporary apostolic ministries because the upc does not practice the doctrine of sanctification.

John 8:34-35 states,
"I assure you that everyone who sins is a slave of sin. A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son is part of the family forever."

Matthew 12:29, in reference to demons and sickness states,
"One cannot rob Satan's kingdom without first tying him up. Only then can his demons be cast out." Both quotes from the New Living Translation.

Until we have conquered sin in our own spirit, by yielding to God in prayer instead of yielding to sin and lust, can we then have authority over demons and sickness. If we 'die daily' and live the 'abiding life' we can then see miracles. Why do you think we don't see more miracles??

John 15:5
"He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit"
kjv

I think if we want what the early church had we have to be like the early church.

[Praxeas]

I wonder if the Corinthian church was that dedicated

[Michael The Disciple]

John said:

21: Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22: And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:21-22

The standard for answered prayer is obedience to him. We need much more of that.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder if the Corinthian church was that dedicated

I think they were dedicated as evidenced by their desire to give, to repent, and to be pleasing to God, but they were carnal in having respect of persons and comparing themselves with others, perhaps thinking they were more spiritual. Some of the things Paul admonishes them for are growing pains we all experience as we mature in the Lord.

Wouldn't it be great if at all of our services we could say: How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying 1 Cor 14:26

[tv1a]

Sorry I can't relate to your delimna. You may want to visit Freedom Center Ministries if you looking for miracles. At least two confirmed cases cancer disappearing without treatment, deliverance from drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, children getting people walking off the street and getting the Holy Ghost before getting to the back pew, devils are cast out, thousands of dollars of debt has been wiped out, a new saint purchased a vehicle, when he went to pick up the vehicle, the salesman took an extra thousand dollars off the negotiated price, a lady who was told she could never have children was blessed with a beautiful baby girl.


Don't make it more complicated than it appears. A simple formula of prayer and fasting will produce the miracles. Isaiah 58:6 says,
6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

It worked in Acts, it works in Alexandra, and it is working at Freedom Center Ministries.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I think they were dedicated as evidenced by their desire to give, to repent, and to be pleasing to God, but they were carnal in having respect of persons and comparing themselves with others, perhaps thinking they were more spiritual. Some of the things Paul admonishes them for are growing pains we all experience as we mature in the Lord.

Wouldn't it be great if at all of our services we could say: How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying 1 Cor 14:26

Well it seems from what Paul was correcting them on they LACKED Love and giving...that was his purpose of writing those chapters...instructing them on love and how love is more important than anything then instructing them to seek the gifts to edify others, not self. He that speaks in tongues edifies himself and nobody else is edified unless he interprets. So pray that you might interpret also.

It seems that from what Paul said they were a little selfish

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder if the Corinthian church was that dedicated

You hit the nail on the head.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I believe that miracles are not overtly present in contemporary apostolic ministries because the upc does not practice the doctrine of sanctification.

John 8:34-35 states,
"I assure you that everyone who sins is a slave of sin. A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son is part of the family forever."

Matthew 12:29, in reference to demons and sickness states,
"One cannot rob Satan's kingdom without first tying him up. Only then can his demons be cast out." Both quotes from the New Living Translation.

Until we have conquered sin in our own spirit, by yielding to God in prayer instead of yielding to sin and lust, can we then have authority over demons and sickness. If we 'die daily' and live the 'abiding life' we can then see miracles. Why do you think we don't see more miracles??

John 15:5
"He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit"
kjv

I believe there is much truth in what you have presented. To the extent that for us to see God at work in our lives we must know where He is working and pray in accordance to His will. Many times we pray "amiss" because we pray what seems logical instead of according to His will. God is always at work around us, but without intimacy with Him we have no idea what He is doing.


God has the long view, we generally pray to be delivered out of our crisis. This life is temporary, God has something much bigger in the works. He could at any moment right every wrong, heal every sickness, destroy every terrorists, give all of us wealth and health. But that is not how He is working in the earth.

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I believe that miracles are not overtly present in contemporary apostolic ministries because the upc does not practice the doctrine of sanctification.

John 8:34-35 states,
"I assure you that everyone who sins is a slave of sin. A slave is not a permanent member of the family, but a son is part of the family forever."

Matthew 12:29, in reference to demons and sickness states,
"One cannot rob Satan's kingdom without first tying him up. Only then can his demons be cast out." Both quotes from the New Living Translation.

Until we have conquered sin in our own spirit, by yielding to God in prayer instead of yielding to sin and lust, can we then have authority over demons and sickness. If we 'die daily' and live the 'abiding life' we can then see miracles. Why do you think we don't see more miracles??

John 15:5
"He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit"
kjv

Because God who is soverign and he is not choosing to heal everyone today, just like he did in apostolic times: 'and they were ALL HEALED' (Acts 5:16). can God heal today - yes. Is he choosing to heal today, extremely rarely if at all, as evidenced by the fact that 1) most healings are simply syschosomatic. 2) pentecostal and Charismatic healings are just as unspectacular as healings claimed by those in serious error such as RC's, Mormons, Oneness and unitarian groups. Not to mention the similar healings claimed by Muslim and Hindu healers or even atheistic faith healers. 3) Most healing ministries just discredit the Lord by their erronious doctrines and their inability to heal real organic sicknesses such as down's syndrome and people with no arms and legs. Face it, if God is genuinely choosing to heal today, he'd be curing down's syndrome people and people with no arms, it would not be difficult for god to do this as he's omnipotent. As it is the God of the tongues movement does exactly what the God of the cults and the Muslims does, he heals vague internal hurts and petty diseases often by the sick persons own mind due to syscosomatic factors, becasue he can't or he won't heal real organic diseases whcih nobody can dispute!

Frankly the whole healing movement is an osasis for fraud and deception.